apple just released a set of widgets similar to those on mog called "My iTunes." i actually said something to cesar from zuneinsider about this, but, even though zune has pushed itself as "social," apple still beat the zune team to the punch with this. now all they can be is a "me too" app in this area.
actually this feature is already built into the Zune Marketplace, but is being locked for now. The Zune is on a 3-4 year plan to bring out the full functionality of the Zune. Trust me, Microsoft is not blind and saw this trend coming a long time ago.
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@dominiej: it doesn't matter if it's coming or not. itunes has it now, so zune has been beat to the punch.
@nurta: i get that iLike, mog, and others already have this, but those are third-party apps, not at all like the actual software manufacturer doing it. and it doesn't matter that you don't use this. adding social functionality is a great way for apple to one-up the zune, being that the zune has been billed as "the social." now apple appears to have beaten the zune team at their own game. that just makes the zune look bad and hurts its future prospects.
@nurta: i get that iLike, mog, and others already have this, but those are third-party apps, not at all like the actual software manufacturer doing it.
The "actual software manufacterer"? What does that mean? Is it integrated into an OS yet? If not, I see no difference between who makes it, except that what Apple did was weak
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and it doesn't matter that you don't use this.
It doesn't? It is nothing if everybody sees how worthless this thing is (taken out of context, I know)
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adding social functionality is a great way for apple to one-up the zune, being that the zune has been billed as "the social." now apple appears to have beaten the zune team at their own game. that just makes the zune look bad and hurts its future prospects.
You call that social?
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There are currently three embeddable widgets to choose from. One shows recent iTunes purchases. Another shows music you’ve reviewed on iTunes. The last shows a sort of tag cloud of artists you’ve purchased on the iTunes store. The widgets can be customized by size and color.
That is nothing compared to what MS has left in their registry for us to find. If you have looked at the huge number of strings and .js files they left in there that hints at what they are doing, you wouldn't be underestimating them. What MS has plannned will combine strongly into their already powerful online tools and will largely rid the idea of music using media players as an end point and so tightly combine the device and the onliine aspects that it you can send a hello image to some random person you meet you can then go online later and chat with find their blog and chat with them. It could easily be the ultimate social, allowing easy interaction with people due to your common interests who would otherwise be strangers.
Their entry into the social aspect is laughable, it is a widget that advertises their product. Compare that to Last.fm, which is the most interesting online social music site, where it finds songs for you depending on what your peers like and you form a community in music.
The "actual software manufacterer"? What does that mean? Is it integrated into an OS yet? If not, I see no difference between who makes it, except that what Apple did was weak
of course it matters who makes it. people are much more likely to trust a company who makes the software they already use daily, that shares the same name, than they are to use something from a company with which they are unfamiliar.
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It doesn't? It is nothing if everybody sees how worthless this thing is (taken out of context, I know)
"everybody" doesn't see this kind of thing as worthless. ilike and last.fm's similar widgets are terribly popular. my point was that it doesn't matter if you don't use it if a great number of other people are. and they are.
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You call that social?
yes, this is clearly focused on something that is genuinely social, namely sharing with others what's going on with you. how is this anything but social?
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That is nothing compared to what MS has left in their registry for us to find. If you have looked at the huge number of strings and .js files they left in there that hints at what they are doing, you wouldn't be underestimating them. What MS has plannned will combine strongly into their already powerful online tools and will largely rid the idea of music using media players as an end point and so tightly combine the device and the onliine aspects that it you can send a hello image to some random person you meet you can then go online later and chat with find their blog and chat with them. It could easily be the ultimate social, allowing easy interaction with people due to your common interests who would otherwise be strangers.
so what? it's not there yet, even though the zune tagline is "welcome to the social." the point here is that itunes is able to one-up the zune at the zune's game, and that is an issue.
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Their entry into the social aspect is laughable, it is a widget that advertises their product. Compare that to Last.fm, which is the most interesting online social music site, where it finds songs for you depending on what your peers like and you form a community in music.
i don't disagree that last.fm's app is better; it is. that's not the point. the point is that ms claimed this as their own area of attack, an area that apple said they weren't even interested in being a part of. and yet, here we are, with apple releasing a genuinely social app before ms. if you can't see that that's going to cause a problem for the way the general public perceives the zune, one that would have been easily remedied if ms would have simpy done what they suggested they were going to do, then our way of thinking is so different that we have little else to discuss.
meh, I just don't think this is a big deal. It is only a few widgets, it isn't comparable to the real social music programs. It just seems to me that they have done roughly an equilvalent amount just with having the option for displaying playlist in live spaces. It is just being headlined rather than considered as what it is, a marginal program that is barely social. All it does is display bought songs and that sort of thing, does it even allow comments or recommendations? How is it social if it doesn't involve people communicating.
you know... I was just thinking today... where's dead jim at? haven't seen him in a while.
and here you are, with your logic and clever response.
I see everything in that link you offered... and i'm just not impressed... what's the point of all this?
it just seems like a way for artists to get free advertisement... and it's lame... "oh look... your favorite bands are in a scrolling marquee... I just **** my pants"
So with this widget... I can stick in on my myspace profile, and have it display live info of my itunes?
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you know... I was just thinking today... where's dead jim at? haven't seen him in a while.
and here you are, with your logic and clever response.
I see everything in that link you offered... and i'm just not impressed... what's the point of all this?
it just seems like a way for artists to get free advertisement... and it's lame... "oh look... your favorite bands are in a scrolling marquee... I just **** my pants"
So with this widget... I can stick in on my myspace profile, and have it display live info of my itunes?
i don't think it's very "impressive" either. that's not the point. the point is that self-updating widgets that let your friends know the last 10 things you listened to, your top artists of the week, your top artists of the month, etc, are simple and obvious ways to make the music-listening experience more social. more than that, people actually want this stuff. the zune team knew that, they saw where this was going, and that's why they used the tagline "welcome to the social." it turns out that while people here might not like myspace, facebook, or whatever, a whole lot of other people do, and they want to share info about themselves with their friends, including their music. the big point is that, even though the zune team gets this, they didn't give zune supporters simple widgets like these. seriously, imagine if zune would have had these widgets first, with the zune brand on it. so much more of the facebook and myspace crowd would have been more likely to see the zune as the "social" dap. at least, i think that's the case, and it looks like apple is with me on this since they've already moved in this direction.
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i don't think it's very "impressive" either. that's not the point. the point is that self-updating widgets that let your friends know the last 10 things you listened to, your top artists of the week, your top artists of the month, etc, are simple and obvious ways to make the music-listening experience more social. more than that, people actually want this stuff. the zune team knew that, they saw where this was going, and that's why they used the tagline "welcome to the social." it turns out that while people here might not like myspace, facebook, or whatever, a whole lot of other people do, and they want to share info about themselves with their friends, including their music. the big point is that, even though the zune team gets this, they didn't give zune supporters simple widgets like these. seriously, imagine if zune would have had these widgets first, with the zune brand on it. so much more of the facebook and myspace crowd would have been more likely to see the zune as the "social" dap. at least, i think that's the case, and it looks like apple is with me on this since they've already moved in this direction.
Yeah, that kinda does sound cool. I'd like it a lot better though, if it showed live stats
I think I'm gunna start using lastfm and start listening to music off of my computer instead of off of the zune.
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i think it does show live stats, or very close. i don't have itunes at all, so i can't check, but i was under the impression that it showed the last several things you had listened to. but i could be wrong.
if you're really into music and sharing your opinion on songs, artists, etc, you might check out mog. it's a pretty cool "social" site built around music, and it's really about music, not about what you're doing that day or who you're dating or anything like that. it's just about music. but it has widgets to post on your pages that show a variety of things, including the last several songs you've played, your most played artists of the week or month, songs you think everyone should know about, etc.
its not being social if u cant share things directly with one another.
you are sharing something directly with others, namely information, the very same sort of thing that all social networking sites share. or are you suggesting that myspace, facebook, etc aren't social either?
zune has blown it by not doing this first
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