Zune 80 vs iPod Classic... a draw?

ZuneSkier · 08-01-2008, 05:27 PM

according to the cnet prizefight it is a draw. (sorry if this is a repost) but i havent seen it on here yet.
Check it out here: Zune vs iPod-CNET Prizefight

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What an upset! We promise this fight was not rigged. We wanted a clear champion as much as you did. The Zune seemed to win most rounds by just a hair, but the compatibility round was the fatal blow to the Zune's ability to triumph over the incumbent iPod Classic. Microsoft really could have swept the floor with the iPod if it had just buried the hatchet and made the Zune both Mac- and PC-compatible. (Supporting its own DRM-WMA and DRM-WMV formats would have helped, too.)

The fact that the Zune even tied the mighty iPod Classic should be enough to send Apple's most devout fans into a reactionary hissy-fit. Surely you must have an opinion on which one should have won this fight. If so, spill your pent-up gadget anger into the CNET MP3 forum.

zombii randy · 08-01-2008, 05:33 PM

Yeah, because they can coherently and soberly say they want the Zune to work for Macs. When ipods work CORRECTLY with windows (dont give me that windows itunes bullcrap, its -14814% FAIL compared to its mac cousin) they can rewrite this bullcrap and I'll read the entire thing. And they want ZUNE to support IPOD DRM... whats the point of DRM then? It's to make ONE peice of media work for ONE peice of software.. not universal... thats the entire point of it. Fail review. Fail ipod.

The Zune seperates itself from iPod and Mac because *gasp* IT DOES NOT WANT TO BE IPOD/MAC can you belive that? The owner of one OS making a competitive and completly differently layed out device then the maker of another OS? Is that a hard concept to grasp for people with IQs of 50? Thats like making a sci-fi mmo and people complaining that its not WoW enough, if you can't learn something new and make a switch then you fail at adaptation and therefore FAIL as a human.

[Edit: Made rant longer.]

mortified · 08-01-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Justananomaly

Yeah, because they can coherently and soberly say they want the Zune to work for Macs. When ipods work CORRECTLY with windows (dont give me that windows itunes bullcrap, its -14814% FAIL compared to its mac cousin) they can rewrite this bullcrap and I'll read the entire thing. And they want ZUNE to support IPOD DRM... whats the point of DRM then? It's to make ONE peice of media work for ONE peice of software.. not universal... thats the entire point of it. Fail review. Fail ipod.

The Zune seperates itself from iPod and Mac because *gasp* IT DOES NOT WANT TO BE IPOD/MAC can you belive that? The owner of one OS making a competitive and completly differently layed out device then the maker of another OS? Is that a hard concept to grasp for people with IQs of 50? Thats like making a sci-fi mmo and people complaining that its not WoW enough, if you can't learn something new and make a switch then you fail at adaptation and therefore FAIL as a human.

[Edit: Made rant longer.]

Wow.....my mind is still reeling from how many people, companies, products, and video games were insulted in 2 paragraphs, and the sheer sarcastic cynicism.

kjohnsonhp · 08-01-2008, 09:35 PM

It is important for shoppers to weight what is important to them and not simply focus on bottom line results of a comparison that weights features potentially in much different manner.

My family has 3 ipods and one ZUNE.

For me the ZUNE has some advantages that transform my music lifestyle and enjoyment in a way the iPod doesn't (at least at the moment). Cnet's complaint about not running on Macs is a don't care for me as I don't own Macs. For others what I like may not be of interest.

ADVANTAGES of ZUNE

1. Subscription Music - ZUNE PASS (not available on iPod)
I love reading about new releases and older albums I'm not familiar with and simply looking them up on the ZUNE Marketplace then dragging and dropping the album to my ZUNE. I often buy the record/cd of items I like...others I enjoy the listen but delete....similar to NETFLIX for movies. Others may see not need or financial appetite for subscription music so they wouldn't have the same transformational experience.

I connect my ZUNE or iPod to my FORD SYNC car stereo via USB and use voice command to play or use my car stereo to control & view the artist and song. THe ZUNE plays subscription music where the iPod doesn't have it. The Samsugn P2 has Rhapsody but p2 won't play subscription files over USB (just LINE IN). The zune resides in my center console and gets power from USB. The song quality is 192kb vs Rhapsody 160kb protected wma. For home HiFI I still use lossless files I own.

2. Video - The ZUNE has the same resolution as iPod but bigger screen. The larger screen with portrait mode is fun for casual viewing while on the go with some down time. I watched Seinfeld while using the eliptical at the gym....it's mostly dialog/comedy so forgiving on a small screen.

There are other items I prefer but they aren't as a strong a deciding factor.

* I like ZUNE software browsing organziation better than iTUnes and enjoy the AllMusicGuide integration. There are still things I'd like to see improve.

* The wireless transfer feature is hyped by ZUNE as a key advantage yet this one is low on my interest. I will try it but I"m not complaining about using the USB to transfer files and I don't plan on beaming songs between ZUNES...perhaps if I find someone else with one that I like to share song suggestions.

I have nothing against iPods. Had it not been for the subscription music I probably would continue to transcode my lossless files to mp3 for use on an ipod on the go and in the car. It plays my owned songs just as well as ZUNE.

THe one advantage I see with iPod is the huge market share which drives more 3rd part items such as the Wadia ipod dock for bit perfect transport to a DAC. I don't plan on doing this as I have my PC connected to my HiFi but it's an example....I can't leverage the iHome ipod doc I already own either to put a Zune boom box in my bathroom for example.....although I could buy a similar Zune box.

I am very interested in getting ZUNE features and iPhone features in my Miscrosoft-based PDA that I use for work. I need a PDA for Outlook email, contacts, calander, and phone....for fun I would like the iPhone web browser & touch screen plus I would like the ZUNE music features and more.

For home PC jukebox I would like to see FLAC support pluse more customization features for ZUNE sw similar to MEEDIO (i.e. multiple genre tags, display & sort by so TORI AMOS is sorted by "A" but displayed as TORI AMOS....or Buckingham-NIcks is displayed that way but sorted by "Fleetwood Mac".

soccerfreak24 · 08-01-2008, 09:46 PM

Saw this a while back... I think zune shoulda came out on top though. Compatibility is a problem, but it's not bad enough to choose the ipod over hte zune imo.

SilentWalrus · 08-01-2008, 11:39 PM

The zune isn't an apple product. That alone makes it win.
The larger screen, the control surface that isn't a stupid click wheel, a radio, and Zune marketplace.

Neobeard · 08-01-2008, 11:50 PM

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Microsoft really could have swept the floor with the iPod if it had just buried the hatchet and made the Zune both Mac- and PC-compatible.

Hmm... I smell FAIL.
Why would Microsoft make their device compatible with one of their biggest competitors? That would just be poor marketing.. although having some advantages, yes, as in being able to sell, at the most, a few more zunes. While the disadvantage is people no longer have to buy a windows or download a Linux operating system to run their Zune.

SilentWalrus · 08-01-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neobeard

Hmm... I smell FAIL.
Why would Microsoft make their device compatible with one of their biggest competitors? That would just be poor marketing.. although having some advantages, yes, as in being able to sell, at the most, a few more zunes. While the disadvantage is people no longer have to buy a windows or download a Linux operating system to run their Zune.

I also smell fail.
The Zune software doesn't run on a Linux Distro.
My young padawan.
Also, of course the Zune isn't on the Mac. Why would they conform when they have 90%+ market share? Apple has to conform as they have less then 10% share, if they didn't they would have gone down the urinal.

Neobeard · 08-02-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentWalrus

I also smell fail.
The Zune software doesn't run on a Linux Distro.
My young padawan.
Also, of course the Zune isn't on the Mac. Why would they conform when they have 90%+ market share? Apple has to conform as they have less then 10% share, if they didn't they would have gone down the urinal.

You do make an interesting point.. although even if Apple didn't choose to conform they could still make quite a substantial profit selling just their mac computers. Mainly because they overcharge them out the wazoo but that's beside the point.

SilentWalrus · 08-02-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Neobeard

You do make an interesting point.. although even if Apple didn't choose to conform they could still make quite a substantial profit selling just their mac computers. Mainly because they overcharge them out the wazoo but that's beside the point.

Actually I'd be like eff that David Blaine and get a real computer not a toy.
Also, there are charts out there that state that Apple's profit went through the roof when they release the iFail for the PC. If Microsoft did that they wouldn't see an increase. I have recently discovered the charts. They are located here.

zombii randy · 08-04-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mortified

Wow.....my mind is still reeling from how many people, companies, products, and video games were insulted in 2 paragraphs, and the sheer sarcastic cynicism.

I don't have pet peeves other then people not thinking before they decide to open their mouths to give me their non-biased opinion which is NOT how you write a comparison review.

piratenetradio · 09-13-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Justananomaly

Yeah, because they can coherently and soberly say they want the Zune to work for Macs. When ipods work CORRECTLY with windows (dont give me that windows itunes bullcrap, its -14814% FAIL compared to its mac cousin) they can rewrite this bullcrap and I'll read the entire thing. And they want ZUNE to support IPOD DRM... whats the point of DRM then? It's to make ONE peice of media work for ONE peice of software.. not universal... thats the entire point of it. Fail review. Fail ipod.

The Zune seperates itself from iPod and Mac because *gasp* IT DOES NOT WANT TO BE IPOD/MAC can you belive that? The owner of one OS making a competitive and completly differently layed out device then the maker of another OS? Is that a hard concept to grasp for people with IQs of 50? Thats like making a sci-fi mmo and people complaining that its not WoW enough, if you can't learn something new and make a switch then you fail at adaptation and therefore FAIL as a human.

[Edit: Made rant longer.]

geez. you're a bit rude. apple users do exist on this planet, and on this board.
I own, and am currently using, a macbook.
There is nothing wrong with using a mac, I bought it specifically because I refused to pay for something running vista.
It honestly is just pathetic of them to not release zune on the mac.
All it's doing is alienating potential customers.
No one is going to buy windows specifically to use a zune, so they really aren't gaining a profit from keeping it exclusive.
I've quit using my zune, because it's just a nuisance.
If I want to put anything on it, I have to reboot into windows first.

You're so anti-mac...have you ever actually used one?

Matt · 09-14-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentWalrus

Actually I'd be like eff that David Blaine and get a real computer not a toy.
Also, there are charts out there that state that Apple's profit went through the roof when they release the iFail for the PC. If Microsoft did that they wouldn't see an increase. I have recently discovered the charts. They are located here.

isnt ms paint awesome?

iEvolution · 09-14-2008, 02:50 AM

Apple fans are very brand oriented, you'd hardly see them change apple for microsoft. Its not killing microsoft.

Locke · 09-14-2008, 05:48 AM

After reading the article, it seems like anyone willing to accept the Zune software ought to buy a Zune. Sounds good to me.

ACE_123 · 09-14-2008, 08:40 AM

The Zune shoulda won, ive never liked ipods, they never wanted to sync correctly and many of the songs synced incorrectly. That is why i got the Zune.

08-01-2008, 05:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
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08-01-2008, 09:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
kjohnsonhp Zewbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Reputation: 10	It is important for shoppers to weight what is important to them and not simply focus on bottom line results of a comparison that weights features potentially in much different manner. My family has 3 ipods and one ZUNE. For me the ZUNE has some advantages that transform my music lifestyle and enjoyment in a way the iPod doesn't (at least at the moment). Cnet's complaint about not running on Macs is a don't care for me as I don't own Macs. For others what I like may not be of interest. ADVANTAGES of ZUNE 1. Subscription Music - ZUNE PASS (not available on iPod) I love reading about new releases and older albums I'm not familiar with and simply looking them up on the ZUNE Marketplace then dragging and dropping the album to my ZUNE. I often buy the record/cd of items I like...others I enjoy the listen but delete....similar to NETFLIX for movies. Others may see not need or financial appetite for subscription music so they wouldn't have the same transformational experience. I connect my ZUNE or iPod to my FORD SYNC car stereo via USB and use voice command to play or use my car stereo to control & view the artist and song. THe ZUNE plays subscription music where the iPod doesn't have it. The Samsugn P2 has Rhapsody but p2 won't play subscription files over USB (just LINE IN). The zune resides in my center console and gets power from USB. The song quality is 192kb vs Rhapsody 160kb protected wma. For home HiFI I still use lossless files I own. 2. Video - The ZUNE has the same resolution as iPod but bigger screen. The larger screen with portrait mode is fun for casual viewing while on the go with some down time. I watched Seinfeld while using the eliptical at the gym....it's mostly dialog/comedy so forgiving on a small screen. There are other items I prefer but they aren't as a strong a deciding factor. * I like ZUNE software browsing organziation better than iTUnes and enjoy the AllMusicGuide integration. There are still things I'd like to see improve. * The wireless transfer feature is hyped by ZUNE as a key advantage yet this one is low on my interest. I will try it but I"m not complaining about using the USB to transfer files and I don't plan on beaming songs between ZUNES...perhaps if I find someone else with one that I like to share song suggestions. I have nothing against iPods. Had it not been for the subscription music I probably would continue to transcode my lossless files to mp3 for use on an ipod on the go and in the car. It plays my owned songs just as well as ZUNE. THe one advantage I see with iPod is the huge market share which drives more 3rd part items such as the Wadia ipod dock for bit perfect transport to a DAC. I don't plan on doing this as I have my PC connected to my HiFi but it's an example....I can't leverage the iHome ipod doc I already own either to put a Zune boom box in my bathroom for example.....although I could buy a similar Zune box. I am very interested in getting ZUNE features and iPhone features in my Miscrosoft-based PDA that I use for work. I need a PDA for Outlook email, contacts, calander, and phone....for fun I would like the iPhone web browser & touch screen plus I would like the ZUNE music features and more. For home PC jukebox I would like to see FLAC support pluse more customization features for ZUNE sw similar to MEEDIO (i.e. multiple genre tags, display & sort by so TORI AMOS is sorted by "A" but displayed as TORI AMOS....or Buckingham-NIcks is displayed that way but sorted by "Fleetwood Mac". Last edited by kjohnsonhp : 08-01-2008 at 09:45 PM.

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SilentWalrus Large Walrus Support Team Jr. Staff Premium Member Super Zuner Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 1,851 Reputation: 247 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	The zune isn't an apple product. That alone makes it win. The larger screen, the control surface that isn't a stupid click wheel, a radio, and Zune marketplace. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Thanks for the sig stkr. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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iEvolution Squirt Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14 Reputation: 15	Apple fans are very brand oriented, you'd hardly see them change apple for microsoft. Its not killing microsoft.

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ACE_123 Squirt Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Reputation: 11	The Zune shoulda won, ive never liked ipods, they never wanted to sync correctly and many of the songs synced incorrectly. That is why i got the Zune.

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