Zune's new rating system

CookingDoggy · 11-04-2007, 08:14 PM

It has been confirmed. The new Zune software is going to let you rate your songs by either love (a heart) or hate (a broken heart) rather than going with the 5 star system. I find this to be a little strange and don't quite know what to make of it. What do you have to say about this? If nothing else, it sets it off more from the iPod so people can't say that Zune "copied them" even though the iPod didn't come up with it. So what are your thoughts?

ACE · 11-04-2007, 08:28 PM

I'm not sure if I

it or not....lol
I think it is pretty interesting though....
I hear some people hate it....but it takes a lot of wishy washy votes out of the equation....

CookingDoggy · 11-04-2007, 08:42 PM

haha, when i posted this topic, I had actually just seen that thread which gave me the idea. btw, I'm getting better about posting. I was inspired when my post was chosen for a news story. woot.

Marshillboy · 11-04-2007, 08:44 PM

I hate that new rating system. Stars allow me to see how much I like a song. Wth.

crimsonwolf · 11-04-2007, 08:57 PM

Same here, rating should let you show how much you like a song not wheter you like it or not, giving just two options is oversimplifying it.

CookingDoggy · 11-04-2007, 09:09 PM

ah, oversimplification... There's a point to cut it off.. I think they just passed the boundary a bit, but I have to experience it to know how I really feel about it.

BrownZune!!! · 11-04-2007, 09:40 PM

Ya, thats kinda dumb, so what happens when you have a three star song, is the heart cracked half way through?

x9_ · 11-05-2007, 03:01 AM

Well duh... If I didn't like the song, I wouldn't have it, would I?

Stupid idea, Microsoft.

CameleonMK · 11-05-2007, 03:21 AM

I rarely rate songs anyways. So I don't care. (but man that is a bad idea)

foxman · 11-05-2007, 04:49 AM

Yeah, I don't take the time to rate songs. If I don't like them I delete them or hit next.

Lvivske · 11-05-2007, 06:32 AM

this is a horrible idea

heck, ill go as far as to say that i WILL NOT be using the zune software now

i spend a lot of time reviewing albums and songs and the 5 star system allows me to see whichs songsi love, which ones i think are great but not amazing, and so forth. it also allows me to quickly say which album i like the best from a band that i like (where odds are all tracks would be over 3 starts)

this is stupid stupid stupid. i may even get a new mp3 player because of this (in light of me not using the zune software, id rather something that syncs with WMP)

slapshot11 · 11-05-2007, 08:27 AM

Not thrilled about this, but it is an easy solution for my wife who shares my library. Now she can't just rate the songs of mine she doesn't like with the broken heart.
For myself though, I personally like the 5 star rating.

Lvivske · 11-05-2007, 11:53 AM

this is just an addition to the ID tag, right?

like, it wont overwrite any of my ratings....right? so i can use zune software for syncing only and use WMP for everything else still?

this is such ****ty news...

ACE · 11-06-2007, 10:18 PM

I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but the New Zune Marketplace will have a new rating system. Gone will be the 5-star rating system for a new like or dislike system signified by a heart or broken heart system.

Cesar at ZuneInsider has gone to great lengths to help explain the reasoning why.

Now for the backstory: I spoke with some folks on the design/dev team about this and picked up some of the reasoning and thinking behind the new rating system. Last year, we extensively tested the 0-5 star rating system with users – both on the current system and their potential usage - and learned a few interesting things. First, there was a great degree of confusion between different ratings for different users – e.g. a 3 star rating for one user might mean “I love this song” but for another user, it could mean “this song is just ok.” And when we asked users if they would rate content using the existing system, 90% said that they wouldn’t. So we had to figure out a way to implement a rating system that users both understood and would be likely to use. We tested several different variations, and in the end users gravitated towards the heart/broken heart system, as it put track ratings into more human terms. Hence, the new rating system.

What do you guys think? Do you like it? Hate it? Be sure to vote (notice I used a similar rating system as the new ZM's...

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Nurta · 11-06-2007, 10:21 PM

interesting. The problem is that we are switching from an analog system to a digital one. You can't say this song is better than this song but worse than this one. It is either good or bad.

Honestly, I didn't use the rating system before and I still won't, so it doesn't affect me much

EndUnknown · 11-07-2007, 05:59 AM

don,t use it, but the new one is still stupid.

Mitch · 11-07-2007, 07:27 AM

I don't rate the songs myself, but since I have a zune pass, when I'm browsing music on there, I like to see which ones are highly rated, those are the ones I usually listen to.

YERCELL · 11-07-2007, 07:48 AM

I said no just because of the lack of variance. I mean it's a nice idea, but I think having just two options is lacking. Then again, I don't rate songs, so I don't really care either.

IE3I STEVO · 11-07-2007, 08:38 AM

not many people use the rating system anyways unless they like to listen to music categorized by rating but thats pretty lame still, why would u have unwaned music on ur zune

CookingDoggy · 11-07-2007, 10:46 AM

ACE, I already posted this topic... the poll is nice though

View Poll Results: Do you like the new Zune Marketplace rating system?
Yes	32	45.07%
No	39	54.93%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

11-04-2007, 08:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
CookingDoggy Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Reputation: 23 $zB: 15 Donate	Zune's new rating system It has been confirmed. The new Zune software is going to let you rate your songs by either love (a heart) or hate (a broken heart) rather than going with the 5 star system. I find this to be a little strange and don't quite know what to make of it. What do you have to say about this? If nothing else, it sets it off more from the iPod so people can't say that Zune "copied them" even though the iPod didn't come up with it. So what are your thoughts? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by ACE : 11-07-2007 at 02:56 PM.

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ACE I Scream, U Scream, We... zB Writer Section Staff Elite Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fresno, CA USA Posts: 2,074 Reputation: 188 $zB: 357 Donate	I'm not sure if I it or not....lol I think it is pretty interesting though.... I hear some people hate it....but it takes a lot of wishy washy votes out of the equation.... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm an To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ...Do you know what the original ZuneMarketplace looked like?

11-04-2007, 08:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
CookingDoggy Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Reputation: 23 $zB: 15 Donate	haha, when i posted this topic, I had actually just seen that thread which gave me the idea. btw, I'm getting better about posting. I was inspired when my post was chosen for a news story. woot. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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crimsonwolf Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: WTF do u care? Posts: 593 Reputation: 20 $zB: 0 Donate	Same here, rating should let you show how much you like a song not wheter you like it or not, giving just two options is oversimplifying it. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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11-04-2007, 09:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
CookingDoggy Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Reputation: 23 $zB: 15 Donate	ah, oversimplification... There's a point to cut it off.. I think they just passed the boundary a bit, but I have to experience it to know how I really feel about it. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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BrownZune!!! Zuner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: So two peanuts are walking down the road and one gets assualted. Posts: 79 Reputation: 10 $zB: 19 Donate	Ya, thats kinda dumb, so what happens when you have a three star song, is the heart cracked half way through? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-05-2007, 03:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
x9_ Jr. Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 34 Reputation: 10 $zB: 9 Donate	Well duh... If I didn't like the song, I wouldn't have it, would I? Stupid idea, Microsoft.

11-05-2007, 04:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
foxman Jr. Zuner Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 43 Reputation: 10 $zB: 1 Donate	Yeah, I don't take the time to rate songs. If I don't like them I delete them or hit next.

11-05-2007, 06:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lvivske Jr. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 302 Reputation: 13 $zB: 34 Donate	this is a horrible idea heck, ill go as far as to say that i WILL NOT be using the zune software now i spend a lot of time reviewing albums and songs and the 5 star system allows me to see whichs songsi love, which ones i think are great but not amazing, and so forth. it also allows me to quickly say which album i like the best from a band that i like (where odds are all tracks would be over 3 starts) this is stupid stupid stupid. i may even get a new mp3 player because of this (in light of me not using the zune software, id rather something that syncs with WMP)

11-05-2007, 08:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
slapshot11 Squirt Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 25 Reputation: 10 $zB: 1 Donate	Not thrilled about this, but it is an easy solution for my wife who shares my library. Now she can't just rate the songs of mine she doesn't like with the broken heart. For myself though, I personally like the 5 star rating.

11-05-2007, 11:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lvivske Jr. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 302 Reputation: 13 $zB: 34 Donate	this is just an addition to the ID tag, right? like, it wont overwrite any of my ratings....right? so i can use zune software for syncing only and use WMP for everything else still? this is such ****ty news...

11-06-2007, 10:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
ACE I Scream, U Scream, We... zB Writer Section Staff Elite Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fresno, CA USA Posts: 2,074 Reputation: 188 $zB: 357 Donate	New Rating System for Songs I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but the New Zune Marketplace will have a new rating system. Gone will be the 5-star rating system for a new like or dislike system signified by a heart or broken heart system. Cesar at ZuneInsider has gone to great lengths to help explain the reasoning why. Now for the backstory: I spoke with some folks on the design/dev team about this and picked up some of the reasoning and thinking behind the new rating system. Last year, we extensively tested the 0-5 star rating system with users – both on the current system and their potential usage - and learned a few interesting things. First, there was a great degree of confusion between different ratings for different users – e.g. a 3 star rating for one user might mean “I love this song” but for another user, it could mean “this song is just ok.” And when we asked users if they would rate content using the existing system, 90% said that they wouldn’t. So we had to figure out a way to implement a rating system that users both understood and would be likely to use. We tested several different variations, and in the end users gravitated towards the heart/broken heart system, as it put track ratings into more human terms. Hence, the new rating system. What do you guys think? Do you like it? Hate it? Be sure to vote (notice I used a similar rating system as the new ZM's...) __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm an To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ...Do you know what the original ZuneMarketplace looked like? Last edited by ACE : 11-06-2007 at 10:21 PM.

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Nurta Stronger than sand Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NYS Posts: 6,299 Reputation: 329 $zB: 5159 Donate Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	interesting. The problem is that we are switching from an analog system to a digital one. You can't say this song is better than this song but worse than this one. It is either good or bad. Honestly, I didn't use the rating system before and I still won't, so it doesn't affect me much __________________ Note: The viewpoint posted above does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Zuneboards, Zuneboard's staff, Nurta, or any affiliate of any of the previously mentioned parties. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm sorry Dizzy, I don't swing that way To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. my army, while you can

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Mitch zB Writer Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: P-Vegas Posts: 610 Reputation: 24 $zB: 89 Donate	I don't rate the songs myself, but since I have a zune pass, when I'm browsing music on there, I like to see which ones are highly rated, those are the ones I usually listen to. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sig by MajerPayne Use Mp3Tag to get your music to show up as playcount on Zune.net

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YERCELL Jr. Zuner Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Winona Posts: 30 Reputation: 10 $zB: 6 Donate	I said no just because of the lack of variance. I mean it's a nice idea, but I think having just two options is lacking. Then again, I don't rate songs, so I don't really care either.

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IE3I STEVO Experienced Zuner Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: fontana california Posts: 214 Reputation: 11 $zB: 58 Donate	not many people use the rating system anyways unless they like to listen to music categorized by rating but thats pretty lame still, why would u have unwaned music on ur zune __________________ made by saab master of sigs To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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CookingDoggy Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Reputation: 23 $zB: 15 Donate	ACE, I already posted this topic... the poll is nice though __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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