Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight."

lpxxfaintxx · 12-14-2006, 06:12 PM

From the blog..

For you who don't know, Prizefight is a 'mini-show' that CNet hosts. Basically what they do is compare products side by side. They grade the products on their Design, Interface, Compatibility, Features, and Performance. The results? The ipod won by 1 point. Honestly, I think this review was pretty fair. The only thing I didn't like is they didn't have a round for technical performance. The zune beats the ipod in terms of "power." Considering the Zune's been out for a month, and the ipods been out for 5 years, I think the Zune did a decent job.

Design: Zune 4 - Ipod 4
Interface Zune 5 - Ipod 4
Compatibility: Zune 2 - Ipod 3
Features: Zune 4 - Ipod 5
Performance: Zune 4 - 4

Video Part 1: http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-24992.html
Video Part 2: http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-25109.html

DaN · 12-14-2006, 06:31 PM

Sweeet! Just wait till MS updates and sends all the cool features onto our zunes. I mean...this is only the 1st gen zune too and it is being compared with a 5th gen iPod... and it only lost by 1pt?! NIIICE. Zune has some MAJOR potential.

Zuney_Toon · 12-14-2006, 06:39 PM

It's complete BS that the zune lost becuase of it's marketplace. Look what iTunes had when it first started out. They are comparing a new device and a player thats been around for 5 generations. If you consider each generation having major updates than the iPod had a pathetic showing compared to a new and still relatively "buggy" zune. And what's up with no extra points for the larger screen or wifi/radio. The iPod lacks those, but she just blew them off and got all excited about the iPods EQ.

"Oh you may have an FM tuner and WiFi, but my iPod owns your dumb Zune because I have more preset EQ's than you, noob!!!" :

DuBz · 12-14-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaN

Sweeet! Just wait till MS updates and sends all the cool features onto our zunes. I mean...this is only the 1st gen zune too and it is being compared with a 5th gen iPod... and it only lost by 1pt?! NIIICE. Zune has some MAJOR potential.

100% Agreed. It is an unfair fight, the iPod is fully developed with all of it's features. The zune Just came out not too long ago, and Hasn't had all it's features yey. Just wait Apple, once the Zune evolves, the iPod will be garbage.

greg3d · 12-14-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DuBz

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Originally Posted by DaN

Sweeet! Just wait till MS updates and sends all the cool features onto our zunes. I mean...this is only the 1st gen zune too and it is being compared with a 5th gen iPod... and it only lost by 1pt?! NIIICE. Zune has some MAJOR potential.

100% Agreed. It is an unfair fight, the iPod is fully developed with all of it's features. The zune Just came out not too long ago, and Hasn't had all it's features yey. Just wait Apple, once the Zune evolves, the iPod will be garbage.

Although I agree that the Zune JUST came out, you have to compare what is out NOW to what is out NOW. The Zune team had the luxury of seeing what is already out, what people want, etc., and had the opportunity to bring out a product that could contend with what is ALREADY available.

If I bought a new make of automobile that needed a crank to start it....would anyone say it's unfair to compare it to today's Ford cars? Ford's first auto's required a crank too....but they have had so many years to develop it and make it better....so I should not compare a new brand for it's first attempt at a car.

jonharrell · 12-14-2006, 07:17 PM

See the thing is that Zune has just came out and iPod, well its been out for a while, but the Zune is going to be so much better when the updates start comeing through!!!

Murc · 12-14-2006, 09:34 PM

I agree with Greg 3D.

Far to many people are have clouded view points.

take the PS3 and 360 for example: the PS3 is Sony's 3rd Playstation, and the 360 is Microsofts 2nd Xbox...and yet there virtually on par...you dont go saying "whoah, Sony took 5 years longer to reach where MS is today. and the Wii is Nintendos 5th console...so form your guys crazy ass standards, nintendo is over a decade behind in technology.

oh, and that CNET thing was lame as hell.

and the only thing the Zune needs is more audio and video format support...and thats all it will take to really attempt to take ipods crown.

yensed · 12-15-2006, 09:45 AM

That was Great! Of course, it was done my Cnet, So I really wasn't expecting otherwise

. She made great points for both devices.

VanMan · 12-15-2006, 12:02 PM

When we get the next Firmware update we will beat iPod by at least 1 point

Pichy · 12-15-2006, 04:18 PM

thats excellent for 1st gen zune

AaronZ · 12-16-2006, 04:44 AM

The Zune won that hands down. It has 10x more features than the iPod will ever have. The Wifi feature is pretty awesome. I havent tried it but I am going to. I do not like how Cnet does their reviews. They are not very accurate.

yensed · 12-16-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronZ

The Zune won that hands down. It has 10x more features than the iPod will ever have.

Like What??

palmerdeville · 12-16-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronZ

I do not like how Cnet does their reviews. They are not very accurate.

I have to agree, too many significant differences were overlooked in this prizefight. Zune still has a long way to go in features, not to mention features that matter. Paul Thurrott's posted his impression of a non-rigged prizefight.

iPod comes out a bit more ahead of Zune than prizefight acknowledges. For example, A very customizable main menu that reduces navigation (iPod) counters, if not outweighs a customizable background (Zune) for devices in which the back light stays on mere seconds (both) - function over flare. Also, as inaccurately represented in prizefight, both may output to TV, but what they didn't mention is iPod outputs at 640x480 vs Zune's 320x240 - that's 4x better on iPod and a significant difference on big TVs.

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Originally Posted by AaronZ

The Zune won that hands down. It has 10x more features than the iPod will ever have.

You seem to have some insight into Zune which I lack. Could you take a look at this 130 point Zune vs iPod comparison and let me know what I'm missing. Because, I'm finding about 55 things the iPod does better than Zune and only about 25 the Zune does better. Since Cesar Menendez from the Zune marketing team links to my comparison, I'd like it to be as accurate and fair as possible.

Pichy · 12-16-2006, 02:43 PM

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You seem to have some insight into Zune which I lack. Could you take a look at this 130 point Zune vs iPod comparison and let me know what I'm missing. Because, I'm finding about 55 things the iPod does better than Zune and only about 25 the Zune does better. Since Cesar Menendez from the Zune marketing team links to my comparison, I'd like it to be as accurate as possible.

almost everyhting is compatible with the ipod at this point. car manufacturers were making cars " IPOD READY " many after market car audio video are compatible with the ipod..
for exampel this car radio... i want it btw..lol http://www.crutchfield.com/S-kyOzDeh...50&I=133VD6503
but i cant connect my zune to it
there has to be a way to use the zune as a cd changer

Fiel · 01-01-2007, 11:05 AM

I could care less about compatability and features between Marketplace and iTunes... But I'm just biased like that...

Bleezz · 01-06-2007, 02:10 AM

lol, i like how the Zune was only set back by features that are gonna be added by firmware and software updates in less than a year

and btw, who gives a rats *** if Zune software isn't supported on Macs? Its not like the Mac fanboys are gonna replace their precious iPods anyway (and its gonna be added later). And i want to know why the Zune wasn't given credit for seamless connection with the Xbox 360 (Totally Sweet btw 8)).

And for those on Xbox Live, i assume you (like me) were totally psyched when you saw you could use your Microsoft points to purchase songs (talk about simplicity, screw giving out my credit card number online

)... and actually, since 80 MS Points = $1.00, and the songs are 79 MS Points each, if you do your math, you'll discover that your actually saving $0.0025 per song download as compared to iTunes

lol

yensed · 01-06-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bleezz

lol, i like how the Zune was only set back by features that are gonna be added by firmware and software updates in less than a year

I see people say that a lot.. But the truth is, you can only review something that currently exists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleezz

and btw, who gives a rats *** if Zune software isn't supported on Macs? Its not like the Mac fanboys are gonna replace their precious iPods anyway (and its gonna be added later). And i want to know why the Zune wasn't given credit for seamless connection with the Xbox 360 (Totally Sweet btw 8)).

How about someone who's job has them using Macs at work and Windows at home? Or someone with a Mac-book running Windows and OSX?.. I do Totally Agree that Zune+360 deserves more credit then its getting. I just hope it gets faster.. It would be great having the ability to save games to the Zune.

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Originally Posted by Bleezz

And for those on Xbox Live, i assume you (like me) were totally psyched when you saw you could use your Microsoft points to purchase songs (talk about simplicity, screw giving out my credit card number online

)... and actually, since 80 MS Points = $1.00, and the songs are 79 MS Points each, if you do your math, you'll discover that your actually saving $0.0025 per song download as compared to iTunes

lol

I wasn't happy at all. Having all my gaming stuff work using Points is totally fine. But Music has always been about Real money. Knowing how money much I have, and how much I can spend is simple and fast.. I don't like my music being tied in with Xbox live like that.

P.S. You don't need to give any credit card numbers to iTunes or the Zune Marketplace. You can just buy pre-paid music cards(Which I continue to do for both services).

swanlee · 01-15-2007, 11:40 AM

For now the zune loses because of limited codec support and no lossless audio support.

I like my zune but nearly every mp3 player supports lossless audio of some type, and nearly every portable video player supports more video codecs than the zune.

The Zune has alot of potential but MS really needs to widen it's support of audio and video files. If other MP3 players offer more features what is the point in getting the zune?

My GF got me a zune the day it came out as an early Xmas present, and I do like it but I would never have bought one on my own knowing it did not support lossless audio files.

MS winning alot more users is just a firmware update away

Open up wireless to sync with any wireless network
Open up audio and video codecs, especially lossless audio support
User Adjustable EQ
Delete music on your zune from your zune--- DUH that was a stupid over site
Quick and dirty web browser

These simple things would make current users really happy and give MS a selling point to get new users.

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lpxxfaintxx Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,789 Reputation: 182 $zB: 2011 Donate	Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." From the blog.. For you who don't know, Prizefight is a 'mini-show' that CNet hosts. Basically what they do is compare products side by side. They grade the products on their Design, Interface, Compatibility, Features, and Performance. The results? The ipod won by 1 point. Honestly, I think this review was pretty fair. The only thing I didn't like is they didn't have a round for technical performance. The zune beats the ipod in terms of "power." Considering the Zune's been out for a month, and the ipods been out for 5 years, I think the Zune did a decent job. Design: Zune 4 - Ipod 4 Interface Zune 5 - Ipod 4 Compatibility: Zune 2 - Ipod 3 Features: Zune 4 - Ipod 5 Performance: Zune 4 - 4 Video Part 1: http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-24992.html Video Part 2: http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-25109.html __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Zuney_Toon Jr. Zuner Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jersey Posts: 44 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." It's complete BS that the zune lost becuase of it's marketplace. Look what iTunes had when it first started out. They are comparing a new device and a player thats been around for 5 generations. If you consider each generation having major updates than the iPod had a pathetic showing compared to a new and still relatively "buggy" zune. And what's up with no extra points for the larger screen or wifi/radio. The iPod lacks those, but she just blew them off and got all excited about the iPods EQ. "Oh you may have an FM tuner and WiFi, but my iPod owns your dumb Zune because I have more preset EQ's than you, noob!!!" : __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Murc Squirt Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." I agree with Greg 3D. Far to many people are have clouded view points. take the PS3 and 360 for example: the PS3 is Sony's 3rd Playstation, and the 360 is Microsofts 2nd Xbox...and yet there virtually on par...you dont go saying "whoah, Sony took 5 years longer to reach where MS is today. and the Wii is Nintendos 5th console...so form your guys crazy ass standards, nintendo is over a decade behind in technology. oh, and that CNET thing was lame as hell. and the only thing the Zune needs is more audio and video format support...and thats all it will take to really attempt to take ipods crown.

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AaronZ Zewbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." The Zune won that hands down. It has 10x more features than the iPod will ever have. The Wifi feature is pretty awesome. I havent tried it but I am going to. I do not like how Cnet does their reviews. They are not very accurate.

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Bleezz Zewbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." lol, i like how the Zune was only set back by features that are gonna be added by firmware and software updates in less than a year and btw, who gives a rats *** if Zune software isn't supported on Macs? Its not like the Mac fanboys are gonna replace their precious iPods anyway (and its gonna be added later). And i want to know why the Zune wasn't given credit for seamless connection with the Xbox 360 (Totally Sweet btw 8)). And for those on Xbox Live, i assume you (like me) were totally psyched when you saw you could use your Microsoft points to purchase songs (talk about simplicity, screw giving out my credit card number online )... and actually, since 80 MS Points = $1.00, and the songs are 79 MS Points each, if you do your math, you'll discover that your actually saving $0.0025 per song download as compared to iTunes lol

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swanlee Zewbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Zune Loses to Ipod by 1 point in "Prizefight." For now the zune loses because of limited codec support and no lossless audio support. I like my zune but nearly every mp3 player supports lossless audio of some type, and nearly every portable video player supports more video codecs than the zune. The Zune has alot of potential but MS really needs to widen it's support of audio and video files. If other MP3 players offer more features what is the point in getting the zune? My GF got me a zune the day it came out as an early Xmas present, and I do like it but I would never have bought one on my own knowing it did not support lossless audio files. MS winning alot more users is just a firmware update away Open up wireless to sync with any wireless network Open up audio and video codecs, especially lossless audio support User Adjustable EQ Delete music on your zune from your zune--- DUH that was a stupid over site Quick and dirty web browser These simple things would make current users really happy and give MS a selling point to get new users.

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