Zune suppport unicode - Page 3

Superaison · 09-03-2007, 07:57 PM

I am an bo modder and hacker, i cacnt type in ccorrecctly what i am becacuse my freaking keyboard is broken..notice...anyhway the original Xbox had a font hack, called bert and earnie. here is some links.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.p...T&f=45&t=79052

http://www.biline.ca/xbox_ude.htm

ill try to find how they did it a bit more, but it pretty much loaded whatever was there in a way, but it had little security oncce u ccould access the hdd and boot linux.

idk if this helps but...its a start, id be happy if we ccould get avi codec on the une

remember, my keyboard is broken. sorry.

Deiparous · 09-03-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nbeerbower

The cab files are checked but I doubt the Zune checks it's contents. But that doesn't matter because we can't really crack the digital signature checks even if we did recompile the cab file.

By contents I mean the .bin files, which are checked

Quote:

ghostz: Even if we removed the firmware the Zune has a flash chip that backups the firmware and puts it right back on.

Part of the firmware, it doesn't have all of it, hence why you have to connect your ZUne to a computer after formatting the HD.

nbeerbower · 09-03-2007, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurta

Part of the firmware, it doesn't have all of it, hence why you have to connect your ZUne to a computer after formatting the HD.

Didn't know that. :/

Superaison · 09-03-2007, 08:08 PM

why do you havev to connecct it to ccomputer?

bigbang · 09-03-2007, 08:41 PM

SOMEBODY PLEASE help me with this.
I seriously need to see these fonts man.

I don't care if I need to open Zune or not.
is there a way to do it at the moment WITHOUT that adaptor? (im pretty sure i dont have it)

i stupidly uploaded "Fonts" in the storage HD using zune's external HD...

which obvioulsy wouldn't work..

i need this.. i need this bad,,

Deiparous · 09-03-2007, 08:50 PM

you need a zif adapter, or a Video iPod

bigbang · 09-03-2007, 08:52 PM

where can I find some zif-adaptors?

Deiparous · 09-03-2007, 08:53 PM

look around google

bigbang · 09-03-2007, 08:55 PM

too many kinds..

bigbang · 09-03-2007, 08:59 PM

cgi.ebay.com/iPod-1-8-toshiba-ZIF-Hard-drive-to-2-5-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ290156292804QQihZ019QQcategoryZ90 964QQcmdZViewItem

this maybe?

lpxxfaintxx · 09-03-2007, 10:13 PM

Cheaper one: http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-Enclosur...QQcmdZViewItem

zazahan · 09-04-2007, 12:54 AM

This is great. I hope there will be an easy hack method soon. Thank you man.

ZunePet · 09-04-2007, 08:24 AM

(selective replies)
> I haven't attempted to write an update program yet but I'll give it a go....
It was meant as a challenge to all the wanna-be hackers out there (including certain H&M team members ;->)
Probably the easiest 'hack' you can come up with. Instant fame. Lots of attention. Get written up in Engadget and Slashdot. Details on what is needed is already on this thread.
You can likely get it working with under 200 lines of code and a few days of experimentation.

If nobody rises to the challenge, I may post something next weekend.
----
> I'll assume given the fact that we're writing a new program that we shouldn't modify the Zune executable, Am I correct? And what version of ZUNE.EXE does your updater rely on? The oldest one I assume? How can I obtain this version?
FWIW: I've done it with a simple patch to the DLLs in the official ZUNE.EXE (current version). Like all of these mods, Microsoft can easily change their program to break it in future releases.
---
> Is it possible to add codecs through this method?
Unfortunately it is very limited. The 'hack' is installing fonts that the system was already designed to handle (it already knows about UNICODE/Asian characters, but they didn't bother to install the 30+ MB of fonts necessary). The 'hack' only adds more fonts. It can't add more functionality.

It may be possible to find a true-type-font exploit to run homebrew code. If someone finds one, then everything will be possible (including WinCE hacks, RockBox and Linux).
Thanks for the pointers to older font hacks.
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re: uploading firmware
This approach can be used to update/downgrade the Zune to any officially released version of the firmware (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4). Not very exciting, but it works.
Any changes in the .BIN files will break the digital signature and the Zune will reject the modified version
----
re: firmware in flash ROM and on hard drive
The EBoot.BIN and Recovery.BIN are stored in the small flash ROM. There are copies on the hard drive too (used to update to newer versions)
The larger NK.BIN is only on the hard drive. It won't fit in flash.
http://zunerama.com/forum/index.php?topic=1273.0

micromartyaka · 09-04-2007, 08:51 AM

So looking for a font exploited font may be the route to loading custom firmware, I sure hope so.

Krebo · 09-04-2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZunePet

> Is it possible to add codecs through this method?
Unfortunately it is very limited. The 'hack' is installing fonts that the system was already designed to handle (it already knows about UNICODE/Asian characters, but they didn't bother to install the 30+ MB of fonts necessary). The 'hack' only adds more fonts. It can't add more functionality.

I know nothing about Win CE, but I'm going to assume that they didn't lock up *everything*. If it can recognize fonts, why not other things (e.g. codecs)? My ZIF connector is on its way, and I'll try to experiment with different possibilities.

nbeerbower · 09-04-2007, 02:37 PM

So maybe if we edited an already existing font that the Zune will recognize, we can try and corrupt Wingdings or something?

Deiparous · 09-04-2007, 03:03 PM

the thing about these fonts is that it is easy to simply corrupt them, just open them in notepad and you're set. The hard part is to get it so that the firmware doesn't recognize them as corrupt and tries to use them, causing a overflow/underflow/etc

fightclub · 09-04-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nbeerbower

So maybe if we edited an already existing font that the Zune will recognize, we can try and corrupt Wingdings or something?

Can someone upload the current font files used on the Zune? Since he was able to add files to the Zune, he should be able to copy them off now, correct?

Deiparous · 09-04-2007, 03:14 PM

We have had the current font files for a while now.

edit: link

nbeerbower · 09-04-2007, 03:30 PM

Never Mind. Could The Mods Delete This?

09-03-2007, 08:41 PM	#45 (permalink)
bigbang Zewbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8 Reputation: 10	SOMEBODY PLEASE help me with this. I seriously need to see these fonts man. I don't care if I need to open Zune or not. is there a way to do it at the moment WITHOUT that adaptor? (im pretty sure i dont have it) i stupidly uploaded "Fonts" in the storage HD using zune's external HD... which obvioulsy wouldn't work.. i need this.. i need this bad,, Last edited by Deiparous : 09-03-2007 at 08:49 PM. Reason: merge

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09-04-2007, 08:24 AM	#53 (permalink)
ZunePet Zuner Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 74 Reputation: 9	(selective replies) > I haven't attempted to write an update program yet but I'll give it a go.... It was meant as a challenge to all the wanna-be hackers out there (including certain H&M team members ;->) Probably the easiest 'hack' you can come up with. Instant fame. Lots of attention. Get written up in Engadget and Slashdot. Details on what is needed is already on this thread. You can likely get it working with under 200 lines of code and a few days of experimentation. If nobody rises to the challenge, I may post something next weekend. ---- > I'll assume given the fact that we're writing a new program that we shouldn't modify the Zune executable, Am I correct? And what version of ZUNE.EXE does your updater rely on? The oldest one I assume? How can I obtain this version? FWIW: I've done it with a simple patch to the DLLs in the official ZUNE.EXE (current version). Like all of these mods, Microsoft can easily change their program to break it in future releases. --- > Is it possible to add codecs through this method? Unfortunately it is very limited. The 'hack' is installing fonts that the system was already designed to handle (it already knows about UNICODE/Asian characters, but they didn't bother to install the 30+ MB of fonts necessary). The 'hack' only adds more fonts. It can't add more functionality. It may be possible to find a true-type-font exploit to run homebrew code. If someone finds one, then everything will be possible (including WinCE hacks, RockBox and Linux). Thanks for the pointers to older font hacks. ---- re: uploading firmware This approach can be used to update/downgrade the Zune to any officially released version of the firmware (1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4). Not very exciting, but it works. Any changes in the .BIN files will break the digital signature and the Zune will reject the modified version ---- re: firmware in flash ROM and on hard drive The EBoot.BIN and Recovery.BIN are stored in the small flash ROM. There are copies on the hard drive too (used to update to newer versions) The larger NK.BIN is only on the hard drive. It won't fit in flash. http://zunerama.com/forum/index.php?topic=1273.0 Last edited by ZunePet : 09-04-2007 at 08:26 AM.

09-03-2007, 07:57 PM	#41 (permalink)
Superaison Zuner Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 76 Reputation: 11	I am an bo modder and hacker, i cacnt type in ccorrecctly what i am becacuse my freaking keyboard is broken..notice...anyhway the original Xbox had a font hack, called bert and earnie. here is some links. http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.p...T&f=45&t=79052 http://www.biline.ca/xbox_ude.htm ill try to find how they did it a bit more, but it pretty much loaded whatever was there in a way, but it had little security oncce u ccould access the hdd and boot linux. idk if this helps but...its a start, id be happy if we ccould get avi codec on the une remember, my keyboard is broken. sorry.

09-03-2007, 08:08 PM	#44 (permalink)
Superaison Zuner Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 76 Reputation: 11	why do you havev to connecct it to ccomputer?

09-03-2007, 08:52 PM	#47 (permalink)
bigbang Zewbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8 Reputation: 10	where can I find some zif-adaptors?

09-03-2007, 08:55 PM	#49 (permalink)
bigbang Zewbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8 Reputation: 10	too many kinds..

09-03-2007, 08:59 PM	#50 (permalink)
bigbang Zewbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8 Reputation: 10	cgi.ebay.com/iPod-1-8-toshiba-ZIF-Hard-drive-to-2-5-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ290156292804QQihZ019QQcategoryZ90 964QQcmdZViewItem this maybe?

09-04-2007, 12:54 AM	#52 (permalink)
zazahan Zewbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3 Reputation: 10	This is great. I hope there will be an easy hack method soon. Thank you man.

09-04-2007, 08:51 AM	#54 (permalink)
micromartyaka Zuner Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 61 Reputation: 10	So looking for a font exploited font may be the route to loading custom firmware, I sure hope so. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

09-04-2007, 02:37 PM	#56 (permalink)
nbeerbower Zuner Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 57 Reputation: 10	So maybe if we edited an already existing font that the Zune will recognize, we can try and corrupt Wingdings or something?

09-04-2007, 03:03 PM	#57 (permalink)
Deiparous ad majorem dei gloriam Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,567 Reputation: 417 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	the thing about these fonts is that it is easy to simply corrupt them, just open them in notepad and you're set. The hard part is to get it so that the firmware doesn't recognize them as corrupt and tries to use them, causing a overflow/underflow/etc __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. is awesome

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