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Old 11-30-2006, 03:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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ok i just checked with him again.
the zune HAS a mac address

it was showing up on his computer
and it even displayed in text
Mac Adress - ************

one moment he is sending me the screenshot now



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Old 11-30-2006, 03:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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ok so we got this

im not sure wut i should have blurred out but i did them but heres how they go
letters and numbers included
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Serial number: {xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}
MAC address: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
Unique Identifier: xxxx:xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx
man some big codes/numbers



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Old 11-30-2006, 03:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Where did your PC find that? Is you router connecting to it?



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Old 11-30-2006, 03:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yeah, mine doesn't show up on my wireless network. And you didn't really need to blur anything lol. Except maybe the serial number, but the only thing you would use that for is for warranty purposes.
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Is that some Magic Vista feature? I think Net stumbler in the correct mode will do this. Ill get a look at it tonight with Kismet.



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yes he is on vista
i think this is why
its like hidden from xp systems or somethin
cuz i tried looking for it on my laptop but it didn't find anything
so i guess only with vista you can see this, but the only thing that happens is when you click on the icon it opens that properties windows thats it but still 3 keys thats good find
i wonder why bastards ms made such a long unique id key lol



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Old 12-02-2006, 04:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Yes the Zune has a MAC address. It uses channel 11 for adhoc netwokring.



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so it really does use ad hoc?



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Old 12-02-2006, 04:24 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Is that some Magic Vista feature? I think Net stumbler in the correct mode will do this. Ill get a look at it tonight with Kismet.

I used Kismet and got this information:

http://www.zunescene.com/forums/index.php?topic=2365.0

From what I could tell it does. It boradcasts the packet, but doesn't include an SSID. I think the other zunes look for it and KNOW what SSID to use to connect. But who knows .



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u know what ima try for the hell of it?
messing with my psp adhoc and the zune, omg that would so neat

let the hacks start. thats a good start and find



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When I captured the broadcast package, I was able to see that it is broadcasting the MAC address, Zune name, and the song you are listening to.



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i will have to try that now,

i think the psp will be able to later be connected to psp, i saw in the menu psp's adhoc can use channel 11, 6 and 1, 11 being the zune's channel as you said?



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Yep, I setup my router to run kismet and that was the only channel I saw traffic on for the zune.

As for that picture are you sure it isn't an xbox 360? You really named the zune DJ-ABU-CSO??? :-p


"Shares Zune media libraries to Zune devices using Universal Plug and Play" - Description on the Zune Network Sharing service.



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Wow, this was an interesting thread...

Yes, the Zune HAS to have a MAC, does anyone know of any network device that dosnt? no, every network device HAS to have a mac address.

Yes, the Zune HAS to run in ad-hoc (well atleast from MS), if you transfer a song from zune to zune you obviously don't have an AP in the middle, so its ad-hoc.

Your best bet to hack the wifi is going to be to figure out which channel (i heard 11), what SSID it is on (use kismet it can auto discover hidden SSID's) and see if it has any filters to find a Zune Vs. finding a PC or something.

You will then have to replicate a "zune" on your PC, my guess would be the Zune filters by mac addresses to find another zune, then again this probably isnt going to be a standard file sharing protocol so I am in the dark on how you would actually access the Zune data via wifi. If someone has 2 zunes I would suggest transferring a bunch of songs back and fourth and see what kismet has to say about it.



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Wow, this was an interesting thread...

Yes, the Zune HAS to have a MAC, does anyone know of any network device that dosnt? no, every network device HAS to have a mac address.

Yes, the Zune HAS to run in ad-hoc (well atleast from MS), if you transfer a song from zune to zune you obviously don't have an AP in the middle, so its ad-hoc.

Your best bet to hack the wifi is going to be to figure out which channel (i heard 11), what SSID it is on (use kismet it can auto discover hidden SSID's) and see if it has any filters to find a Zune Vs. finding a PC or something.

You will then have to replicate a "zune" on your PC, my guess would be the Zune filters by mac addresses to find another zune, then again this probably isnt going to be a standard file sharing protocol so I am in the dark on how you would actually access the Zune data via wifi. If someone has 2 zunes I would suggest transferring a bunch of songs back and fourth and see what kismet has to say about it.
The problem I had was not having two Zunes, so there was no way for me to discover the SSID.



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ROFL MAC ADDRESS!
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No, it is the Irony of a object that connects to another computer having a MAC address. The wi-fi connection works off a completely different principal than a standard wi-fi connection.
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Perhaps if it were connecting to the net directly. But why does a Zune need anything but a Name and a Serial number to identify itself to another Zune? Think about it =.



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The problem I had was not having two Zunes, so there was no way for me to discover the SSID.
Just send a bunch of erroneous data to the zune, kismet should be able to figure it out after a while.



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The problem I had was not having two Zunes, so there was no way for me to discover the SSID.
Just send a bunch of erroneous data to the zune, kismet should be able to figure it out after a while.
How do I send it data?



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don't you let some program broadcast a fake zune signal?, so i guess you need to replicate the packet that we are able to catch, and then use that new packet and broadcast it on channel 11 adhoc, from there you will be able to give it data no?



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don't you let some program broadcast a fake zune signal?, so i guess you need to replicate the packet that we are able to catch, and then use that new packet and broadcast it on channel 11 adhoc, from there you will be able to give it data no?
Find me the program that will net me brodcast custom packets and I'll try it.



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