Ok, well what i was thinking, we're a relatively small group...we work pretty good together, and have surely made some nice additions to the Zune community before anyone else. Well as programmers have left zB, and its bascially just myself, and i think berdon, as the programmers i was wondering if someone else could maybe get VisualBasic 6, and not so much program, but design the program (*dam, i ate my last candy heart...im like that pissed that i felt the need to post it in here*), but yea. see what i use to do in UAKTech was since im not graphically inclined at all, lol, i would create the code, send the code to my friend, and he'd create the visual aspect of it. Luckily VB works somewhat like Dreamweaver, in that you can work via Visually or via Code. So say i make a program thats just a standard gray background with a button on it (like berdon's zkinner program) i hand the source to someone else, who switches the button with something a bit more fancier looking and puts up a background. Reason for this is both i would like better designs for the programs i make for zB and secondly i'd like for someone to be able to take my source, test it, find an error (in the code...becuz VB has a debugger) and then either A fix it or B tell me where the error is and i fix it.
Ok, well what i was thinking, we're a relatively small group...we work pretty good together, and have surely made some nice additions to the Zune community before anyone else. Well as programmers have left zB, and its bascially just myself, and i think berdon, as the programmers i was wondering if someone else could maybe get VisualBasic 6, and not so much program, but design the program (*dam, i ate my last candy heart...im like that pissed that i felt the need to post it in here*), but yea. see what i use to do in UAKTech was since im not graphically inclined at all, lol, i would create the code, send the code to my friend, and he'd create the visual aspect of it. Luckily VB works somewhat like Dreamweaver, in that you can work via Visually or via Code. So say i make a program thats just a standard gray background with a button on it (like berdon's zkinner program) i hand the source to someone else, who switches the button with something a bit more fancier looking and puts up a background. Reason for this is both i would like better designs for the programs i make for zB and secondly i'd like for someone to be able to take my source, test it, find an error (in the code...becuz VB has a debugger) and then either A fix it or B tell me where the error is and i fix it.
I was actually just thinking that. Right now, you are the only one here who can actually program, kind of defeating the purpose of a "team".
If someone could supply me with a hacked version of VB before 4:30 tommorrow, I'll learn it by monday and be able to help programming.
Not too hard; it's the one language I know (or knew) a teeny bit of.
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luckily its pretty basic stuff...like i find if u kno vb, u basically know javascript too (which helps with sites...and u can even use what u learn in vb with a lil of php) and since its visually drawn up, its easier to do waht u need to do
There is a free version of Visual Basic 2005 "Express" http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb
(free download, eventually they want you to register, also free)
This gives you most of the core utilities for writing any app.
It also has a built-in object browser that lets you examine and use the interfaces to the Zune DLL objects.
Open the ZuneLib.DLL and you will see a lot of interesting stuff. If you want to write your own app to replace the ZUNE.EXE PC app for syncing etc, you may want to start there (eg: IWMPSyncDevice*)
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For more elaborate programming, there is a free 90 day trial version of the full blown Visual Studio 2005. This supports developing for the WinCE / WindowsMobile platform (ie. what's running on the Zune) as well as for regular Windows apps (running on the PC)
actually u cant write ya own program, if im not mistaken....these .dll dont allow themselves to be used in VBStudio....yes best bet would be to get these free versions or the full blown Studio...i use the old VB6...i find it to be easier..and nicer...but if u want updated, get the cracked version of the full Studio
Ok, well what i was thinking, we're a relatively small group...we work pretty good together, and have surely made some nice additions to the Zune community before anyone else. Well as programmers have left zB, and its bascially just myself, and i think berdon, as the programmers i was wondering if someone else could maybe get VisualBasic 6, and not so much program, but design the program (*dam, i ate my last candy heart...im like that pissed that i felt the need to post it in here*), but yea. see what i use to do in UAKTech was since im not graphically inclined at all, lol, i would create the code, send the code to my friend, and he'd create the visual aspect of it. Luckily VB works somewhat like Dreamweaver, in that you can work via Visually or via Code. So say i make a program thats just a standard gray background with a button on it (like berdon's zkinner program) i hand the source to someone else, who switches the button with something a bit more fancier looking and puts up a background. Reason for this is both i would like better designs for the programs i make for zB and secondly i'd like for someone to be able to take my source, test it, find an error (in the code...becuz VB has a debugger) and then either A fix it or B tell me where the error is and i fix it.
Dude, since we all have Restorator, just use the standalone .exe patch maker. When finished editing a .dll or exe, just click the RP button at the top of the program. It will make a standalone patcher.
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And you know what? Macs are too hip. Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops! I'm a DJ! Well good for you. My computer is not a fashion statement. It's a computer.
I'd dl it myself and upload it, but I'm downloading something right now. Besides, there's a lot of seeders, so it should go quickly.
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Better contraceptives will control population only if people will use them. A nuclear holocaust can be prevented only if the conditions under which nations make war can be changed. The environment will continue to deteriorate until pollution practices are abandoned. We need to make vast changes in human behavior. B.F. Skinner
I'd dl it myself and upload it, but I'm downloading something right now. Besides, there's a lot of seeders, so it should go quickly.
I don't have BitTorrent on my laptop, and my router/modem/whatever isn't sent up for it ??? I'll try and figure it out myself, but if you upload it before I figure it out, it would help me a lot ;D
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Ah... VB is next on my languages to learn pallet. Thankfully I've just finished c++ (at least gained considerable knowledge) but I'll look around online for some code and see if I can't teach myself. Anyone know of a good book that teaches VB?
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I'm mostly a c/c++/c# guy, but I can piddle paddle with vb as well. I've the newest pro Microsquish Visual Studio so I'm ready for anything.
Ah... VB is next on my languages to learn pallet. Thankfully I've just finished c++ (at least gained considerable knowledge) but I'll look around online for some code and see if I can't teach myself. Anyone know of a good book that teaches VB?
I would NOT reccomend VB, it teaches bad coding habits and has a rather strange naming system. Except for purely GUI programs, it is worthless. If you want something with a bit of meat on its bones, try python. It's rather simple and very powerful.
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Originally Posted by Adam Frucci
And you know what? Macs are too hip. Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops! I'm a DJ! Well good for you. My computer is not a fashion statement. It's a computer.
I would NOT reccomend VB, it teaches bad coding habits and has a rather strange naming system. Except for purely GUI programs, it is worthless. If you want something with a bit of meat on its bones, try python. It's rather simple and very powerful.
If he already learned c++, then bad coding habits shouldn't affect him. In terms of the Zune, VB is more useful than python, since the main thing you need is a strong GUI support.
Python's both a net and computer language no? That would be kind of nice and I know VB's rather sloppy but I've worked so much with terminal interfaces (my class skipped graphics in c++ because of compiler differences) that I want to do something that looks nice. I'll look in to python, but it sounds like most people here are using VB anyway and for portability options, I'll stick with the majority. Unless I'm mistaken?
my thing with VB is that its a pretty nice language for a beginner...its very simple to learn, and if u kno c++ then u know good coding. Go with VB.net, its way more powerful than VB6, i suggest though seeing what u can do with your C++ knowledge, which means u can do alot more than vb...
Python's both a net and computer language no? That would be kind of nice and I know VB's rather sloppy but I've worked so much with terminal interfaces (my class skipped graphics in c++ because of compiler differences) that I want to do something that looks nice. I'll look in to python, but it sounds like most people here are using VB anyway and for portability options, I'll stick with the majority. Unless I'm mistaken?
Sure, if all you want to do is export directly to .exe and make simple gui programs. Python can be used to make guis but it requires additional classes to download. And by portability, VB can only be used on windows os' but python scripts can be used on almost any OS. But, yeah, I suppose for the sake of sticking with the majority, VB is fine, however you will need a better .net version than the express (express can't export to .exe, which is a big minus in my book).
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Originally Posted by Adam Frucci
And you know what? Macs are too hip. Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops! I'm a DJ! Well good for you. My computer is not a fashion statement. It's a computer.
A tool i think we all should have
