Hackers look here

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by uaktags

Okay, here we go. Its becoming obvious that everyone wants to help, but your all right...there is NO organization. We have no leader, we have no defiant objective, we're just sayin "yea lets hack it, lets mod it, somehow.." Well heres a proposal. I'll help lead this Team, If someone else would, then stand up. But so far its been pity and I who have talked the most about this issue, i know pity has been working his ass off, and has a mod coming.
Jason, your a programmer, seems you dont know alot, but u do know somethings. I'd like you to contact me at some point, to maybe look at an idea i have. I know i cant do it in VB, and i kno you know only a little C++ but i believe this could probably work in C++ (i want to see if we can somehow access the dlls...they aren't VB coded, but maybe we can input them within C++. I kno the files i want to look at, and i got the ideas behind this method.)
AgentBlack and Napeoleon the same goes to you tool. Also i want you guys to look at Packet broadcasting and communication between USB. If we can get you the packets, i'd like to see if you guys can find a way to use them.
2ASquared, i'd like to know a few things about how u do your modding. Are you experienced with modding .dlls becuz its the Zune Software where we think that the key is. If we can mod it, exploit it, then mimic it, we can gain the access (indirectly) to the Zune device.
Divine Humanity, if you are Videl, i'd like for you to please contact me. Even if you dont want to have anything to do with Zune Linux, i'd just like to bounce a few ideas off of the old Hack/Mod team leader.

Listen, i may not be the Hack/Mod team leader, the ZuneBoard admins can very simply just choose someone, but i'll be damned to just let this topic sit and stall. Im not about that, im about getting what i set out to do, done. So lets do this. For right now, since everything is just basic trial and error. We dont know if we can program anything as of yet for this device, for we need to figure out how it works first. So heres the first 2 assignments i'm going to set out. NUMBER1, everyone get a packetsniffer of some kind. USBMonitor or USBSnoop have been what was suggested here. we need something to sniff the packets of incoming AND OUTGOING packets on the usb port. Then test the syncs, connect, and disconnect of the zune device. Save and name your logs. I'll set up a ftp to upload the logs soon. NUMBER2, everyone get resource hacker. Its for free, and start backing up your .DLLs that are in the Zune Directory under C:\Program Files\Zune...Then start looking at the .dlls. Since the majority of us are programmers of sometype, we should understand BITS and pieces of what we see. F with it, test it in the program, F with it somemore, find out what you can do. What you can change. Hell if we just change the IFace of the ZuneSoftware, i'll laugh and call it a day til we find something else.
I DO NOT CARE about other websites with their zune forums. I came to ZuneBoards for i heard that this was the place to come if i wanted the ABSOLUTE newest info and progress on ZuneHacks. If some other zune forum tried an idea we suggest...COOL, lets do it anyway. Hell lets do it 20times over and over, i dont care what they do or did, i care about what we should do.
lpxxfaintxx if your almost done with what you said you were working on, please PM me the progress of that, i'd like to start using that as soon as possible.
Thank You

Way to step up to the plate, man. ;D

We don't need a leader, we need assignments, and I think that's what UAKTags just gave you guys, so stop messing around and get working :P

I figured I'd just ask this here since you guys seem to know what your doing. Me and my friend (my friend and I ) were talking today, and we figured there were two was to get the Zune to run Linux:

The first way would be to modify the boot fileson the computer to boot Linux, and then create a artificial Syncing program, and trick the Zune into think it was recieving an update and download the (Linux) boot files.

The second way would be to find out what is on the Zune's flash memory. I think that since you can put a blank harddrive on the Zune and it will format it for you, the flash memory contains the boot files, too. Therefore, if we could disconnect the flash memory and rewrite the data on that to format the thing for Linux, that would work, too.

Could someone tell me if these are indeed our options and which one would be easiest to implement?

[Napoleon Iven Quinnly]

This might be I value it is one of the 31 packets I found.

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by Napoleon Iven Quinnly

This might be I value it is one of the 31 packets I found.

Sorry, but I have no idea what that means. Unfortunately, everyone here could post their USb packets, but if no one knows what they mean or how to work with them, they are pretty much useless

Does anyone here know what exactly this is, if it's useful, and is anyone willing to try and make a syncing program? I would, but I don't know any programming language yet

Oh god, I hate seeing those reports. You have no idea how much Packet Sniffing and Debugging I've done for my project. It is rather depressing. However that doesn't show us anything we don't already know, sorry.

[Napoleon Iven Quinnly]

Well in order to better help the group, what exactly what AM I looking for?

[Napoleon Iven Quinnly]

Hey once again I have something that might be of interest Albino Tux gave me what work he completed on a program called zUnlock it looks very interesting you can get here in the forums at: http://www.zuneboards.com/component/...8/topic,832.30

Of course all credit goes to him and his team. If you already knew all of that stuff than you are apparently a genius and should donate your mind to science for study. ;D

[putis]

I'm going to split the thread a few posts up, what should it be called?
Also, as things develop, you guys might want to consider becoming a part of H&M, to keep things private, should the need arise.

[simonloach]

I am a good C++ programmer (well, by good I mean theres nothing I don't know how to do). I, unlike many here, have a lot of experience with it as well. I know a bit about the concepts involved in hacking the zune to boot linux when the xbox was hacked I followed that quite closely (and yes, I know it will be a lot different booting from a chip). Unfortunately I don't know enough to be able to do it on my own, otherwise I would have already started. I honestly think I could help this project. I'm very dedicated to this and i'll put in a lot of time if I can see it is getting somewhere. I would like to set up a chat in irc or something with someone that knows a bit about what the best ways to get started are.

[putis]

You should contact uaktags and/or PityonU, but Pity is going to be away for a little while.

[simonloach]

Actually, I'm not sure I can do this at all. After reading rockbox forums there looks like microsoft have put in a lot of nasty security features even down to the processor itself. I was thinking of a nice software hack but that doesn't even seem possible.. Anyway if there are any developments just give me an email.

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by putis616

I'm going to split the thread a few posts up, what should it be called?
Also, as things develop, you guys might want to consider becoming a part of H&M, to keep things private, should the need arise.

What do you mean when you say "jpin the Hacks and Mods team"? Do I have to sign up for it somewhere, because I totally will :P Is it like becoming a moderator or something?

How do you become a moderator or an admin, anyway? I would really like the ability to upload larger files and change my old posts...

P.S. - You should call the thread "Hackers Look Here" :P lol


Oh, and thanks for the extra sexy rep

[putis]

The way this forum is set up, you can't actually request to join, an admin. has to move you into that group. If you're interested, just let me know, and give me a lits of people that should also be in the group, since I don't really know.

You'd be able to work on stuff together, in your own forum, and keep secret or make known whatever you decide.


As for the larger files, what type of files exactly?

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by putis616

The way this forum is set up, you can't actually request to join, an admin. has to move you into that group. If you're interested, just let me know, and give me a lits of people that should also be in the group, since I don't really know.

You'd be able to work on stuff together, in your own forum, and keep secret or make known whatever you decide.


As for the larger files, what type of files exactly?

Oh, okay.

Well yeah! Of course I'm interested ;D It would be great if I could be on the official Hacks and Mods team instead of the "rogue" one we have set up now If your going to add me, then could you please add UAKTags (although I haven't talked to him in a while). I'm pretty sure he was serious about being on the team.

There are some other people who want onto the team, but I don't know if they will take this seriously or just drop it after a few days (they are all Zewbies with no rep ???)

As for the files, I had in mind specifically the Zune: Liberated mod. DUI_ was nice enough to host it for me one time, but I don't want to keep bugging him to re-upload it every time I make an update to it. It's about 6 megabytes.

P.S. - You actually named it "Hackers Look Here" :P I guess it will definitely grab the attention of anyone with experience

[putis]

Ya, I'll add you and uaktags. The hack is in a rar or.. I can increase the limit for certain fieltypes I think, but not for membergroups.

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by putis616

Ya, I'll add you and uaktags. The hack is in a rar or.. I can increase the limit for certain fieltypes I think, but not for membergroups.

Tahnks for the add, man This is awesome ;D +rep for you

As for the file, the mod is 4.7 MB when in .rar form, but I would like to keep it in .zip for for ease of use (5.8MB), so what would you recommend?

Anything you can do to help on top of what you've done already will be much appreciated

[shailigum]

one thing you alll need to understand is the meaning of SECURITY CERTS AND MICOSOFT LICENCES. THATS WHAT STOPS THIS ALL FROM GOING FORWARD.

1. The first way would be to modify the boot fileson the computer to boot Linux, and then create a artificial Syncing program, and trick the Zune into think it was recieving an update and download the (Linux) boot files.
--NOT GOING TO WORK. You can already 'trick' the zune into updating its firmware with nearly anything, but it wont boot it without recognizing a microsoft security cert or licence. Artifical sync program wont work either since the zune wont recognize it, again, without Microsoft certification. Theres nothing to edit in the zune program itself either, even editing the dlls, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE ON ZUNEY, will not do much.

2. "The second way would be to find out what is on the Zune's flash memory. I think that since you can put a blank harddrive on the Zune and it will format it for you, the flash memory contains the boot files, too. Therefore, if we could disconnect the flash memory and rewrite the data on that to format the thing for Linux, that would work, too."
--NOT GOING TO WORK. You couldnt get the zune to boot anything that doesnt have a microsoft cert in it even if you re-wrote the flash somehow, which would be nearly impossible without getting access to kernel mode.

kernel mode is basically the key to getting any decent hack to work, and your going to have a hell of a time getting into it. most common way of getting into it is through a buffer overflow hack, which is hella hard to find.

packet sniffing is also pointless, its all been tried on zuney. even scanning while a firmware update was in progress. none of it bears any fruit.

what is currently in development though, is a program much similar to ipodwizard, but for the zune instead. which will be up w/ source within the next month or so.

[PityOnU]

Okaaaaaaayyyyy...

[putis]

Easy guys. Lets not ruin this thread.

[PityOnU]

Originally Posted by putis616

Easy guys. Lets not ruin this thread.

My bad :P It never happened.

But you had to admit, I had a good point.