Zune and Rockbox

AppleHater · 02-19-2008, 07:46 AM

Isnt there a way to just remove the hard drive and format it and install our own firmware? For example take the harddrive out of the zune and find a way to plug it in to your computer and then wipe the drive and then install rockbox for example? Because I cant wait for this to be done and Im waiting as patiently as possible :/

scrizz · 02-19-2008, 07:54 AM

firmware is in the mobo

AppleHater · 02-19-2008, 08:04 AM

Why cant you install rockbox the same way you can on the iPod?

Gregory · 02-19-2008, 08:33 AM

Because the firmware is locked down, the Zune will not run any firmware if it is not signed by Microsoft.

AppleHater · 02-19-2008, 08:35 AM

is there a way to flash the firmware?

Gregory · 02-19-2008, 08:45 AM

Not at this point, no.

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Originally Posted by AppleHater

is there a way to flash the firmware?

AppleHater · 02-19-2008, 09:05 AM

The one product from microsoft that isnt buggy is the one we want bugs in...go figure.
Has anyone tried to make a new firmware and rename all the files to what the filenames of the current firmware and then installing the firmware the same way you would downgrade the firmware?

Omnidragon · 02-19-2008, 09:21 AM

there has already been more research to getting rockbox on a zune in the rockbox forums and they haven't had any luck due to the encryption with the firmware.
and the only ways i know of to flash the firmware completly is via the offical MS way or to physically remove the chip and flash it that way but TMK no one has done this caus you could just brick your zune

joej · 02-19-2008, 09:57 AM

there is a sig check on the zune there is not one on the ipod

sowhatu · 02-22-2008, 07:12 PM

rockbox on the zune, me would like this.
had rockbox on my sansa e260, and found it quite cool.

on a zune??????

awesome!

joej · 02-22-2008, 10:26 PM

when the games are added this could probably be ported to the zune

paul4531 · 02-22-2008, 10:36 PM

Hmm rockbox wouldbe sweet

kcarden · 03-10-2008, 05:59 PM

Has any thought been put into running the ipod firmware on the zune?
I heard about people taking HDD's from ipods and putting them in zunes. so maybe that could be a way. take the hdd from zune and put it in ipod, then try the codes and whatnot, and replace the hdd in zune.
Any thoughts on how that would work?

Scrapz616 · 03-10-2008, 06:19 PM

i think it has a second partrition or something like that in the zune so that the zune would not recognize the firmware even if u did it that way

kcarden · 03-10-2008, 06:23 PM

I know it has two partitions, but maybe there could be a way to access it via ipod or something like that.

Dark616 · 03-10-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcarden

Has any thought been put into running the ipod firmware on the zune?
I heard about people taking HDD's from ipods and putting them in zunes. so maybe that could be a way. take the hdd from zune and put it in ipod, then try the codes and whatnot, and replace the hdd in zune.
Any thoughts on how that would work?

iirc the firmware isnt on hd, it is on a flash chip

kcarden · 03-10-2008, 06:38 PM

oh... i got ya, now i understand. So it just wouldn't read it. Then what is all the fuss about accessing the data partition?

Dark616 · 03-10-2008, 06:42 PM

if we could, maybe we could mess with it.

LedZepp · 03-11-2008, 04:19 PM

The firmware is both on the hd and part of the firmware is on the flash. Everytime you upgrade your zunes firmware eboot.bin and recovery.bin are sent to the flash and then nk,eboot, and recovery are also stored on the hd. Each time the zune boots up the firmware from the flash chip checks for signatures in the firmware files on the hd, if it finds them it runs, if not it tells you to reinstall the firmware (Changing even one byte in the firmware files deletes the signature).

A lot of people expect the zune to be hacked when games come out, but theres a 99% chance that will not happen. With the implementation of XNA on the zune the security will be even greater, and with what it is now it could mean no hacking for a long time.

Hope that cleared up a few questions.

georgexx316@hotmail.com · 03-12-2008, 03:19 AM

The best way would just be tamper with the existing firmware.

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Omnidragon zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 287 Reputation: 18 $zB: 234 Donate	there has already been more research to getting rockbox on a zune in the rockbox forums and they haven't had any luck due to the encryption with the firmware. and the only ways i know of to flash the firmware completly is via the offical MS way or to physically remove the chip and flash it that way but TMK no one has done this caus you could just brick your zune __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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sowhatu Jr. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hamilton, ontario Posts: 362 Reputation: 12 $zB: 5 Donate	rockbox on the zune, me would like this. had rockbox on my sansa e260, and found it quite cool. on a zune?????? awesome! __________________ 12:33 AM <saab900> haha,i tried jumping my dog but she ran away!!!!

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02-19-2008, 09:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
joej Zune Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 729 Reputation: 10 $zB: 478 Donate	there is a sig check on the zune there is not one on the ipod

02-22-2008, 10:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
joej Zune Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 729 Reputation: 10 $zB: 478 Donate	when the games are added this could probably be ported to the zune

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paul4531 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 590 Reputation: 11 $zB: 545 Donate	Hmm rockbox wouldbe sweet

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kcarden Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 10 $zB: 20 Donate	Has any thought been put into running the ipod firmware on the zune? I heard about people taking HDD's from ipods and putting them in zunes. so maybe that could be a way. take the hdd from zune and put it in ipod, then try the codes and whatnot, and replace the hdd in zune. Any thoughts on how that would work?

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kcarden Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 10 $zB: 20 Donate	I know it has two partitions, but maybe there could be a way to access it via ipod or something like that.

03-10-2008, 06:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
kcarden Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 10 $zB: 20 Donate	oh... i got ya, now i understand. So it just wouldn't read it. Then what is all the fuss about accessing the data partition?

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LedZepp Jr. Staff Hacks and Mods Crew Zune Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 798 Reputation: 93 $zB: 470 Donate	The firmware is both on the hd and part of the firmware is on the flash. Everytime you upgrade your zunes firmware eboot.bin and recovery.bin are sent to the flash and then nk,eboot, and recovery are also stored on the hd. Each time the zune boots up the firmware from the flash chip checks for signatures in the firmware files on the hd, if it finds them it runs, if not it tells you to reinstall the firmware (Changing even one byte in the firmware files deletes the signature). A lot of people expect the zune to be hacked when games come out, but theres a 99% chance that will not happen. With the implementation of XNA on the zune the security will be even greater, and with what it is now it could mean no hacking for a long time. Hope that cleared up a few questions.

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