Making Games Not Restart....

wakeskater17 · 09-22-2008, 03:04 PM

Somehow Microsoft made their games not restart after you're done playing. User-created games still have to restart. To fix this, why can't someone open their Zune as a hard drive (or find a way to access games on the Zune from the computer), copy either Hexic or Texas Hold 'em and find out how MS does this?

Locke · 09-22-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wakeskater17

Somehow Microsoft made their games not restart after you're done playing. User-created games still have to restart. To fix this, why can't someone open their Zune as a hard drive (or find a way to access games on the Zune from the computer), copy either Hexic or Texas Hold 'em and find out how MS does this?

We've copied the games already. However, just "looking at the game" is lot tougher than you think. Figuring out how they do it is even harder.

itsnotabigtruck · 09-22-2008, 04:38 PM

The current theory is that the Microsoft games are digitally signed, and the Zune firmware doesn't trigger a restart when exiting from a signed game. You have to have the Microsoft encryption key (which is a closely guarded secret) to sign a game, so if that's the case, it's unlikely that we'll be able to make any progress on this front.

This is the same reason we can't modify the Zune firmware itself.

shutout5591 · 09-22-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

We've copied the games already. However, just "looking at the game" is lot tougher than you think. Figuring out how they do it is even harder.

We have been able to extract the agmes form the firmware, but its in a proprietary ZCp file, so we are **** out of luck.

superpeanutman23 · 09-28-2008, 06:53 PM

has any1 bothered to email microsoft for the game code. it is worth a try.

itsnotabigtruck · 09-28-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by superpeanutman23

has any1 bothered to email microsoft for the game code. it is worth a try.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll work.

Deiparous · 09-28-2008, 07:06 PM

It will work better than guessing

Tiptup300 · 09-29-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck

Yeah, I'm sure that'll work.

What a negative nancy.

Also I was planning on asking Nintendo to provide the source of Mario 64 so I could port it. I"ll get back to you guys on that status of that port.

superpeanutman23 · 09-30-2008, 10:16 AM

how about trying to open the .zcp file in notepad or some program like that

Space Toast · 09-30-2008, 10:30 AM

It would end up looking like a jumbled mess.

superpeanutman23 · 09-30-2008, 10:51 AM

I found 2 certificates in the firmware does any1 want to look maybe it will help.

And how about organizing that jumbled mess LOL

ZunePet · 10-02-2008, 08:58 AM

> how about trying to open the .zcp file in notepad or some program like that

re: .zcp format
See this thread. Especially last post:
http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zun...-restarts.html

Justananomaly · 10-02-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ZunePet

> how about trying to open the .zcp file in notepad or some program like that

re: .zcp format
See this thread. Especially last post:
http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zun...-restarts.html

I could open it in a hex editor but I'm not sure what good it would do.. someone would have to send it to me as well.

blackwood550 · 10-02-2008, 09:17 AM

I feel a lot of negativity in this thread.

What is with that ya'll?

At least we're trying and not giving up...I thought this thread was showing that somebody figured it out

What's wrong with emailing Microsoft for the encryption key? Nothing
No harm in asking. All we have to do is E-Mail them, trying to sound as professional as possible and telling them our intentions on how we're going to use it. I won't be the one E-Mailing them so figuring that out is up to whoever want's to do it.

M'kay?

NO MORE BAD VIBES! PERIOD!
BAD VIBES =

steve500 · 10-03-2008, 03:39 AM

Because some of us are realists?

I suppose there's no harm in emailing Coke for the recipe...and the Colonel for the 13 or whatever spices

What's wrong with emailing Coca Cola for the recipe? Nothing
No harm in asking. All we have to do is E-Mail them, trying to sound as professional as possible and telling them our intentions on how we're going to use it. I won't be the one E-Mailing them so figuring that out is up to whoever want's to do it.

See how odd that sounds? Off to go laugh at Palin some more!

shutout5591 · 10-03-2008, 05:44 AM

Intelligent discussion move here:

http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zun...-restarts.html

One problem. One thread.

blackwood550 · 10-03-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by steve500

Because some of us are realists?

I suppose there's no harm in emailing Coke for the recipe...and the Colonel for the 13 or whatever spices

What's wrong with emailing Coca Cola for the recipe? Nothing
No harm in asking. All we have to do is E-Mail them, trying to sound as professional as possible and telling them our intentions on how we're going to use it. I won't be the one E-Mailing them so figuring that out is up to whoever want's to do it.

See how odd that sounds? Off to go laugh at Palin some more!

That's not odd at all you worthless n00b...some us know how to try. I'd normally explain the concept but it'd be too much for your little brain to understand.

Mockery =

sorry but if you want to shoot somebody's ideas down go to a kiddie forum...or increase your post count...squirt.

itsnotabigtruck · 10-03-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackwood550

That's not odd at all you worthless n00b...some us know how to try. I'd normally explain the concept but it'd be too much for your little brain to understand.

Mockery =

sorry but if you want to shoot somebody's ideas down go to a kiddie forum...or increase your post count...squirt.

Someone took a substantial gulp of Haterade.

I don't know if you've realized this, but there is such a thing as a stupid idea. Asking a corporation to give you trade secrets is one of them.

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ZunePet Zuner Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 74 Reputation: 9	> how about trying to open the .zcp file in notepad or some program like that re: .zcp format See this thread. Especially last post: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zun...-restarts.html

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blackwood550 Experienced Zuner Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Las Vegas Posts: 182 Reputation: 28	I feel a lot of negativity in this thread. What is with that ya'll? At least we're trying and not giving up...I thought this thread was showing that somebody figured it out What's wrong with emailing Microsoft for the encryption key? Nothing No harm in asking. All we have to do is E-Mail them, trying to sound as professional as possible and telling them our intentions on how we're going to use it. I won't be the one E-Mailing them so figuring that out is up to whoever want's to do it. M'kay? NO MORE BAD VIBES! PERIOD! BAD VIBES = __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. iPod = To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Netrix : 10-02-2008 at 09:37 AM. Reason: Circumventing the word filter = fail.

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steve500 Jr. Zuner Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 39 Reputation: 8	Because some of us are realists? I suppose there's no harm in emailing Coke for the recipe...and the Colonel for the 13 or whatever spices What's wrong with emailing Coca Cola for the recipe? Nothing No harm in asking. All we have to do is E-Mail them, trying to sound as professional as possible and telling them our intentions on how we're going to use it. I won't be the one E-Mailing them so figuring that out is up to whoever want's to do it. See how odd that sounds? Off to go laugh at Palin some more!

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