The ramifications of copyright on XNA game conversion

[SimReality]

Originally Posted by brenttiscool15

if they have any problem with what i have done then they can post an objection here and i will remove their game.

Since your attitude is contrary to proper law or even common courtesy, I'll post now that I refuse to have any of my games (except Alien Aggressors) upgraded by anyone and listed anywhere. Alien Aggressors was a tutorial so that's cool, but I do not give anyone permission to update Repeater or Scrambled Albums.

In general, though, you should ask first. Don't be a dick and assume people are cool with it.

[itsnotabigtruck]

Originally Posted by SimReality

Since your attitude is contrary to proper law or even common courtesy, I'll post now that I refuse to have any of my games (except Alien Aggressors) upgraded by anyone and listed anywhere. Alien Aggressors was a tutorial so that's cool, but I do not give anyone permission to update Repeater or Scrambled Albums.

In general, though, you should ask first. Don't be a dick and assume people are cool with it.

The arrogance of that comment is stunning. Furthermore, it is directly contrary to the statement on your blog indicating that all code/samples on your site are subject to the Microsoft Public License, which expressly permits redistribution and derivation. No other license is indicated on the blog or with the source, and you can't simply restrict distribution ex post facto.

There's only one person in this transaction who needs to stop being a dick.

[brenttiscool15]

Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck

The arrogance of that comment is stunning. Furthermore, it is directly contrary to the statement on your blog indicating that all code/samples on your site are subject to the Microsoft Public License, which expressly permits redistribution. No other license is indicated on the blog or with the source, and you can't simply restrict distribution ex post facto.

There's only one person in this transaction who needs to stop being a dick.

My thoughts exactly.

[fade3e]

Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck

The arrogance of that comment is stunning. Furthermore, it is directly contrary to the statement on your blog indicating that all code/samples on your site are subject to the Microsoft Public License, which expressly permits redistribution and derivation. No other license is indicated on the blog or with the source, and you can't simply restrict distribution ex post facto.

There's only one person in this transaction who needs to stop being a dick.

Word, besides i seem to recall the sticky at the top stating any ideas submitted to these forums is open and you cannot complain if someone alters or repost your idea, on that note this user was simply helping out while users wait for the creator programmers to update, id be glad if he did this for me it is common courtesy and nothing else

[catnat109]

Originally Posted by fade3e

Word, besides i seem to recall the sticky at the top stating any ideas submitted to these forums is open and you cannot complain if someone alters or repost your idea, on that note this user was simply helping out while users wait for the creator programmers to update, id be glad if he did this for me it is common courtesy and nothing else

Agreed as long as they don't post it without my permission. Such as some one making groove work better and then posting it with out my permission. But if you are just changing things around and then you ask for permission to post the changes I would be fine with it.

[SimReality]

If creators want you to do this to their games, that's great. You are providing a good service to people. No doubt about it and I'm not trying to knock you personally.

I do apologize for coming off harsh, but I've had quite the issue with this entire community's complete lack of regard for the developers, their creations, and their desires. This is the community that encourages copyright infringement and disregards creators' rights so that they can selfishly benefit. So when I see a thread that says "I'm going to convert these games to the beta and you can file a complaint later," of course I get upset. You should ask first. If the developer wants it, great. If they don't, then at least you tried. But ask first.

So again, my apologies for my anger, but please just realize that these sorts of things are quite annoying to people like myself. I track the downloads of my games. I want people getting them from my site.

[brenttiscool15]

Originally Posted by SimReality

If creators want you to do this to their games, that's great. You are providing a good service to people. No doubt about it and I'm not trying to knock you personally.

I do apologize for coming off harsh, but I've had quite the issue with this entire community's complete lack of regard for the developers, their creations, and their desires. This is the community that encourages copyright infringement and disregards creators' rights so that they can selfishly benefit. So when I see a thread that says "I'm going to convert these games to the beta and you can file a complaint later," of course I get upset. You should ask first. If the developer wants it, great. If they don't, then at least you tried. But ask first.

So again, my apologies for my anger, but please just realize that these sorts of things are quite annoying to people like myself. I track the downloads of my games. I want people getting them from my site.

For every game that has been updated by the creator, I provided the link directly to the creator's thread so that it would get downloaded off of their site. It's not like I wait for you to post your game and then put on my site for my benefit. I did for people who were only stuck with Texas Hold'Em and Hexic.

[fade3e]

Originally Posted by brenttiscool15

For every game that has been updated by the creator, I provided the link directly to the creator's thread so that it would get downloaded off of their site. It's not like I wait for you to post your game and then put on my site for my benefit. I did for people who were only stuck with Texas Hold'Em and Hexic.

well i think if you dont like it then package your games,, slim. because this is a community where sharing and discussing are a part, dont mean to come off rude but if you dont want your work publisised and communitized either package or dont post

[catnat109]

Originally Posted by brenttiscool15

For every game that has been updated by the creator, I provided the link directly to the creator's thread so that it would get downloaded off of their site. It's not like I wait for you to post your game and then put on my site for my benefit. I did for people who were only stuck with Texas Hold'Em and Hexic.

Don't worry brent. Your not in the wrong, as long as you remove their games if they don't want it, then you are not violating anything, it's when you change the games and post them as your own without their permission, but what you did to simreality is nothing to be struck down about.

[SimReality]

Like I said, I get that. But my point really just boils down to one thing:

Ask first.

That's really all I'm trying to get across. It isn't hard to shoot out an email saying "Hey, is it cool if I update your game to the beta and release it to people?" and it's really nice to get those emails.

You are thinking about the users. And that's great. But you have to think about the creators as well.

[itsnotabigtruck]

Originally Posted by SimReality

If creators want you to do this to their games, that's great. You are providing a good service to people. No doubt about it and I'm not trying to knock you personally.

I do apologize for coming off harsh, but I've had quite the issue with this entire community's complete lack of regard for the developers, their creations, and their desires. This is the community that encourages copyright infringement and disregards creators' rights so that they can selfishly benefit. So when I see a thread that says "I'm going to convert these games to the beta and you can file a complaint later," of course I get upset. You should ask first. If the developer wants it, great. If they don't, then at least you tried. But ask first.

So again, my apologies for my anger, but please just realize that these sorts of things are quite annoying to people like myself. I track the downloads of my games. I want people getting them from my site.

You're tracking the downloads of a game that is completely useless to 3.0 users. You of all people should be up on your game when it comes to keeping up with the latest firmware upgrades. After all, you have access to private briefings, pre-release XNA builds, and who knows what else. It is your responsibility to keep your applications ready to go, and you failed. That is not a fault in and of itself, but by doing that you completely vacate your right to flame others for completing what is your responsibility.

Apparently you consider the failure to consistently yield to the desires of big business to be equal to utter disrespect for the institution of copyright. Copyright is not an excuse for arbitrary and inequitable decrees on the use of your software, directly contrary to the license it is granted under.

When a developer creates a game and publishes it, for free, to the community, they relinquish a degree of control. Once something is on the interwebs, it stays there, whether you want it or not. And you will never be able to stop people from transforming, extending, converting, and deriving from your work. It comes with the game. Resisting this is resisting change, and it is resisting the underlying constant of the Internet. What you are advocating is static, rigid and totalitarian control of your media, media that you are purportedly providing for the benefit of the community.

[brenttiscool15]

Thanks guys. I was hoping I wasn't the only one seeing through this guy.

[SimReality]

Great. So I say some mean words and when I try to apologize, the community continues to retaliate. Heck I tried twice to apologize. All I'm asking for is some consideration for the developers, but apparently this community doesn't care about developers' rights. I give up.

[brenttiscool15]

You didn't apologize. You tried to justify why you called me a dick.

[Nrclpsy]

Originally Posted by brenttiscool15

Thanks guys. I was hoping I wasn't the only one seeing through this guy.

I think the majority of us can see that your simply doing us a favor.

I'm totally down for the similar "Applications" thread by the way.

I didn't find this board until after I had upgraded my Firmware to 3.0 the other day. So I haven't even had the joy of trying out the apps yet.

[itsnotabigtruck]

Originally Posted by SimReality

Great. So I say some mean words and when I try to apologize, the community continues to retaliate. Heck I tried twice to apologize. All I'm asking for is some consideration for the developers, but apparently this community doesn't care about developers' rights. I give up.

You aren't apologizing. In each post, you're retreating a little bit but restating your point. That includes the one I'm replying to right here.

However, I see that you're ready to drop this argument, and I am too. It would be nice if you replied to the point however instead of circumventing the argument.

[fade3e]

Originally Posted by SimReality

Great. So I say some mean words and when I try to apologize, the community continues to retaliate. Heck I tried twice to apologize. All I'm asking for is some consideration for the developers, but apparently this community doesn't care about developers' rights. I give up.

sim dont get me wrong, i think it is and can be very morally wrong to recode/upload someone elses work, im just trying to get across that if a source is supplied you have to expect that kind of treatment, it is nice though that he agreed to forgoe any changes to any of your apps/games however i wsas just defending his right to if he so choose

[catnat109]

Originally Posted by SimReality

Like I said, I get that. But my point really just boils down to one thing:

Ask first.

That's really all I'm trying to get across. It isn't hard to shoot out an email saying "Hey, is it cool if I update your game to the beta and release it to people?" and it's really nice to get those emails.

You are thinking about the users. And that's great. But you have to think about the creators as well.

He wasn’t posting your game as a beta or anything else he was only try to see if he could, if he was successful then he would contact the creator. He has full right to edit the game if you supply him with the source. As long as he doesn’t post it as his own, without your permission then it is perfectly legal, legit, o.k, you cannot say anything about it, and you supplied the source.