visual basic

djsnowflake410 · 05-20-2008, 05:55 PM

could i deploy a visual basic program to my zune

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 05:58 PM

Depends... the XNA is mainly formatted for Sharp and ++ (C# & C++), not the Visual Studio or Visual Basic series. There may be a plugin for VB though. Google ftw.

LedZepp · 05-20-2008, 06:08 PM

No you cant, XNA on the zune only supports C#

djsnowflake410 · 05-20-2008, 06:58 PM

well actually it does work with VB i think i havent tryed to deploy the game cuz its not finished yet but i think it should work.

Is there anyone who would be willing to help me fix all the things wromg with my game cuz basically right now its a 2 player fighting game which would be cool with wifi multiplayer like pong but i want to make it into a 1 vs computer game is there anyone who would be willing to help me code this?

Tiptup300 · 05-20-2008, 07:15 PM

C# is the currently the only supported language for the XNA API on the Zune.

TheZMan · 05-20-2008, 10:59 PM

Here is an FAQ XNA Game Studio and other languages

Speculation on what you think SHOULD work is never a good idea.

Its possibly to get VB (or other languages) code running with XNA Game studio but you need to jump through a lot of hoops. Firstly you need to make sure that the language doesn't use its own libraries (the My. namespace in VB for example) which won't exist on 360 or Zune. Then you have to make sure your language doesn't use some of the odd parts of MSIL or rely on some parts of Reflection.

Even if you pass all those tests then the content pipeline and deployment add ins only work from c# so you need to make an empty c# project, add in content and reference the game you wrote as an assembly in VB.

So it will work, but its a lot of bother and you will get little or no support from anyone especially Microsoft.

ZunePet · 05-21-2008, 07:10 AM

XNA Apps running under Windows are more flexible. With some work many different programming languages can be used, but will only run on your PC
http://www.alanphipps.com/VisualBasicdotNET-XNA.html (PC only)

However XNA apps that run under Zune are much more constrained. They must run the "CIL" intermediate code and run within the "sandbox" environment. They can only use the restricted libraries that are on the Zune.

The C# and VB .NET compilers can produce "CIL" code.
Regular C++ programs, older tools like Visual Basic or Visual C will not.
[There are some crazy options like CIL 'assembler' or C++/CIL]

As mentioned, the SDK currently only supports C#. This is where you should start.
It may be possible to port the (Zune compatible) XNA SDK to work with VB .NET, but I would wait for someone else to do the work for you (possibly for the XBox360)

IMHO If writing a new game, the C# language is sufficiently similar to Visual Basic that writing it in C# is almost as easy.

TheZMan · 05-21-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ZunePet

XNA Apps running under Windows are more flexible. With some work many different programming languages can be used, but will only run on your PC
http://www.alanphipps.com/VisualBasicdotNET-XNA.html (PC only)

The same rules that Alan uses to make a VB app run XNA will likley work just as well on the Zune. You just need to be careful - see my post above.

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However XNA apps that run under Zune are much more constrained. They must run the "CIL" intermediate code and run within the "sandbox" environment. They can only use the restricted libraries that are on the Zune.

ALL .Net apps run CIL/MSIL no matter what their platform. The Compact Framework which is used on the 360 and the Zune supports almost all MSIL instructions however its been reported that some languages will generate ones which do not. VB has not found to be one of them. the .Net runtime is what provides the sandbox and that sandbox exists in the desktop framework and the compact one.

The restricted libraries on the zune appear to be the same as the restricted libraries on the 360. They are actually not all that restricted. Windows.Forms, System.Net are the big ommisions. But the rules about which librararies to avoid applies to c# as well. The only issue is if your language needs to use some language specific ones. e.g the My. namespace in VB cannot be used.

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The C# and VB .NET compilers can produce "CIL" code.
Regular C++ programs, older tools like Visual Basic or Visual C will not.
[There are some crazy options like CIL 'assembler' or C++/CIL]

So?

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As mentioned, the SDK currently only supports C#. This is where you should start.
It may be possible to port the (Zune compatible) XNA SDK to work with VB .NET, but I would wait for someone else to do the work for you (possibly for the XBox360)

The SDK is jsut a .Net assembly that can be called from any language. The issue for VB.Net and other languages is that they may use parts of .Net that have not

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IMHO If writing a new game, the C# language is sufficiently similar to Visual Basic that writing it in C# is almost as easy.

That much I can agree with...

djsnowflake410 · 05-21-2008, 04:25 PM

http://www.alanphipps.com/VisualBasi...nstallXNA.html

so this won't work?

but anyways i know it would be easy to do it in C# but I have the entire program written in VB so i really don't feel like converting damn near 2000 lines of code into C#

TheZMan · 05-21-2008, 04:55 PM

It will work if you follow the rules in the FAQ...

Maybe if you explain which part of the explanation I made or the FAQ you dont understand then I can help

djsnowflake410 · 05-24-2008, 12:54 PM

no i know it will work i just want to know now if someone will help me fix the code cuz right now its a two player game and i need want it to be 1 vs computer game

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LedZepp zB Programmer Experienced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 975 Reputation: 118	No you cant, XNA on the zune only supports C#

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djsnowflake410 Jr. Zuner Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 34 Reputation: 10	well actually it does work with VB i think i havent tryed to deploy the game cuz its not finished yet but i think it should work. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me fix all the things wromg with my game cuz basically right now its a 2 player fighting game which would be cool with wifi multiplayer like pong but i want to make it into a 1 vs computer game is there anyone who would be willing to help me code this?

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Tiptup300 Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 387 Reputation: 116	C# is the currently the only supported language for the XNA API on the Zune.

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ZunePet Zuner Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 74 Reputation: 9	XNA Apps running under Windows are more flexible. With some work many different programming languages can be used, but will only run on your PC http://www.alanphipps.com/VisualBasicdotNET-XNA.html (PC only) However XNA apps that run under Zune are much more constrained. They must run the "CIL" intermediate code and run within the "sandbox" environment. They can only use the restricted libraries that are on the Zune. The C# and VB .NET compilers can produce "CIL" code. Regular C++ programs, older tools like Visual Basic or Visual C will not. [There are some crazy options like CIL 'assembler' or C++/CIL] As mentioned, the SDK currently only supports C#. This is where you should start. It may be possible to port the (Zune compatible) XNA SDK to work with VB .NET, but I would wait for someone else to do the work for you (possibly for the XBox360) IMHO If writing a new game, the C# language is sufficiently similar to Visual Basic that writing it in C# is almost as easy.

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djsnowflake410 Jr. Zuner Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 34 Reputation: 10	http://www.alanphipps.com/VisualBasi...nstallXNA.html so this won't work? but anyways i know it would be easy to do it in C# but I have the entire program written in VB so i really don't feel like converting damn near 2000 lines of code into C#

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djsnowflake410 Jr. Zuner Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 34 Reputation: 10	no i know it will work i just want to know now if someone will help me fix the code cuz right now its a two player game and i need want it to be 1 vs computer game

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