XNA a portal to Zune Viruses?

Atrocious · 04-11-2008, 05:08 AM

If you can make games in it.
I'm sure you can make virus. Do you think anyone is going to produce a virus to annihilate the Zune?

jacobmervine · 04-11-2008, 05:27 AM

there might be a jack A** out there willing to do it theres always someone, but mainly i think microsoft will make it hard for them as they have made it for us to crack the firmware, but you never know

Omnidragon · 04-11-2008, 09:01 AM

well you'd need to be silly enough to run it any way but i'm pretty sure you couldnt do it any way but then again you might be able to

stkr · 04-11-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Omnidragon

well you'd need to be silly enough to run it any way but i'm pretty sure you couldnt do it any way but then again you might be able to

That pretty much says it

. I doubt it would happen anyway, though.

lpxxfaintxx · 04-11-2008, 10:29 AM

If we can create a virus, why not take advantage of it and run our own firmware?

Bear holding a shark · 04-11-2008, 10:59 AM

I doubt viruses are going to spread very fast though. Mainly because the wireless is between friends, and you just need to be careful where you get your downloads from. So yes, it's a possibility, but not a massive threat IMO.

Gregory · 04-11-2008, 11:07 AM

You can't share games wirelessly.

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Originally Posted by Saline

I doubt viruses are going to spread very fast though. Mainly because the wireless is between friends, and you just need to be careful where you get your downloads from. So yes, it's a possibility, but not a massive threat IMO.

Bear holding a shark · 04-11-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregory

You can't share games wirelessly.

Has this been stated? What's to stop the sharing of games if all the other media on a Zune can be shared? It's still just sending information.

Scrapz616 · 04-11-2008, 11:12 AM

I think they did state you can't wirelessly share games, only play(I'm not really sure though)
It could be possible that someone will make viruses in the games, so to stay safe, just make sure you get the games from a trusted source

Aden · 04-11-2008, 01:30 PM

You can play games wirelessly with friends.. but you cant send them. You cannot wirelessly sync games either, only add them to the Zune via USB.

XNA have already stated this on their website.

Tiptup300 · 04-13-2008, 09:24 AM

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but Microsoft pretty much destroyed any chance of doing anything to permanently affect your zune, which I personally think is for the best. This is how they did the Xbox 360 and I have no doubt they would do the same for the Zune.

Mitch · 04-13-2008, 05:14 PM

Also inorder for a game to be mass distributed it has to go through a couple steps as far as I know, and one of them is being tested by the XNA community. So basically someone could get a small group of XNA people and would probably then be removed from XNA if they tried an attack.

At least that is what I'm pretty sure they do with it right now.

Lucifer · 04-13-2008, 11:13 PM

well, it's a managed code system likely in some form of virtual machine or something close to it, meaning that the best anyone could 'hope' for is maybe a buffer overflow, but even that would be tough considering you won't be assembling the code yourself, and any "exploitable" code would be mostly blocked, and what isn't... has little likeliness of doing any real harm. The best you can expect is to run software / firmware with it that you would otherwise be unable to.. but what's the point? ----while typing all this out, I just had the most bizarre idea flow through my head... you know data can be transmitted between zunes wirelessly, even with xna 'games', what if the wireless networking being shared between zunes worked in a sort of cluster system, making an XNA "game" like "SETI@Home" and other similar technologies, generating a variable capacity networked computer system out of wireless portable media players... skynet is in our zunes killing our medias.

x9_ · 04-17-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Atrocious

If you can make games in it.
I'm sure you can make virus. Do you think anyone is going to produce a virus to annihilate the Zune?

No. XNA Studio requires you to use XNA-specific classes when developing games.
That's why it's not possible to make viruses for the xbox 360 using XNA Studio

Tiptup300 · 04-17-2008, 11:54 AM

Buffer Overflows are impossible on managed code.

Zazuneafoon · 04-18-2008, 05:14 PM

Why would any one want to infect a Zune?
there just so lovable!

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jacobmervine Jr. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: WV, Posts: 286 Reputation: 16 $zB: 81 Donate	there might be a jack A** out there willing to do it theres always someone, but mainly i think microsoft will make it hard for them as they have made it for us to crack the firmware, but you never know __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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lpxxfaintxx Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,819 Reputation: 204 $zB: 2042 Donate	If we can create a virus, why not take advantage of it and run our own firmware? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Bear holding a shark Zune Freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 15 miles south of Nowhere, USA Posts: 1,238 Reputation: 107 $zB: 779 Donate	I doubt viruses are going to spread very fast though. Mainly because the wireless is between friends, and you just need to be careful where you get your downloads from. So yes, it's a possibility, but not a massive threat IMO. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Scrapz616 Support Team Super Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,620 Reputation: 129 $zB: 1277 Donate	I think they did state you can't wirelessly share games, only play(I'm not really sure though) It could be possible that someone will make viruses in the games, so to stay safe, just make sure you get the games from a trusted source __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *Throw Ya L's Up* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Aden Posting Disabled Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: www.darkzune.com Posts: 585 Reputation: 7 $zB: 13 Donate	You can play games wirelessly with friends.. but you cant send them. You cannot wirelessly sync games either, only add them to the Zune via USB. XNA have already stated this on their website.

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Tiptup300 Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 386 Reputation: 114 $zB: 285 Donate	Sorry to burst your bubbles, but Microsoft pretty much destroyed any chance of doing anything to permanently affect your zune, which I personally think is for the best. This is how they did the Xbox 360 and I have no doubt they would do the same for the Zune. Last edited by Tiptup300 : 04-17-2008 at 01:31 PM.

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Mitch zB Writer Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: P-Vegas Posts: 610 Reputation: 24 $zB: 89 Donate	Also inorder for a game to be mass distributed it has to go through a couple steps as far as I know, and one of them is being tested by the XNA community. So basically someone could get a small group of XNA people and would probably then be removed from XNA if they tried an attack. At least that is what I'm pretty sure they do with it right now. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sig by MajerPayne Use Mp3Tag to get your music to show up as playcount on Zune.net

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Lucifer zB Programmer Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 509 Reputation: 62 $zB: 438 Donate	well, it's a managed code system likely in some form of virtual machine or something close to it, meaning that the best anyone could 'hope' for is maybe a buffer overflow, but even that would be tough considering you won't be assembling the code yourself, and any "exploitable" code would be mostly blocked, and what isn't... has little likeliness of doing any real harm. The best you can expect is to run software / firmware with it that you would otherwise be unable to.. but what's the point? ----while typing all this out, I just had the most bizarre idea flow through my head... you know data can be transmitted between zunes wirelessly, even with xna 'games', what if the wireless networking being shared between zunes worked in a sort of cluster system, making an XNA "game" like "SETI@Home" and other similar technologies, generating a variable capacity networked computer system out of wireless portable media players... skynet is in our zunes killing our medias.

04-17-2008, 11:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tiptup300 Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 386 Reputation: 114 $zB: 285 Donate	Buffer Overflows are impossible on managed code.

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Zazuneafoon Experienced Zuner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 216 Reputation: 14 $zB: 161 Donate	Why would any one want to infect a Zune? there just so lovable!

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