The Upcoming USB 3.0

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by USB.org

The USB 3.0 Promoter Group was formed to create a SuperSpeed USB personal interconnect that can deliver over 10 times the speed of today�s connection. The technology will target fast sync-and-go transfer applications in the PC, consumer and mobile segments that are necessary as digital media become ubiquitous and file sizes increase up to and beyond 25 Gigabytes. USB (Universal Serial Bus) 3.0 will create a backward-compatible standard with the same ease-of-use and plug and play capabilities of previous USB technologies. Targeting over 10x performance increase, the technology will draw from the same architecture of wired USB. In addition, the USB 3.0 specification will be optimized for low power and improved protocol efficiency.

Current Developers and Testers of the upcoming Universal Serial Bus 3.0 Technology:

USB 3.0 Technology is estimated to be released around Mid-2009.

Transfer speeds are estimated to be around 4.8GBPS... (Holy Christ)

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Originally Posted by EverythingUSB.com

The days of wired USB may not be over yet, not by a long shot. Intel at IDF 2007 has announced plans for USB 3.0. That's actually a continuation of the cable version of Universal Serial Bus. A "SuperSpeed" USB Promoter Group has been formed that is overseeing the completion of the specification. Everything should be finalized sometime in the middle of 2008, with the first devices to hit market in 2009. You may want to add at least 2 years to both dates, given the track record of the previous USB announcements and market penetration.

Read More HERE.

Imagine how much faster Zune transfers can possibly be... as if they aren't fast enough as it is. :P

EndUnknown · 05-20-2008, 04:00 AM

it would take seconds to transfer THOUSANDS of songs

Gow616 · 05-20-2008, 04:02 AM

Imagine how much just plain file transferring with any USB 3.0 device can be?

How about an external video card? Possible with USB 3.0.

External Raptor Hard drive? Possible with USB 3.0

Zune 160 (ETA Unknown, heh) that syncs in mere minutes? Possible with USB 3.0

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 04:13 AM

That would be f*cking amazing.

I'm just wondering what the next Port-Transfer is going to be, since it sounds like Intel decided, "Hey let's throw "unknown project title" away and work on USB 3. We'll release "Unknown Project Title" when Microsoft Codename: Vienna is released."... Hmm..

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Post Above

That's actually a continuation of the cable version of Universal Serial Bus.

Is there a new version of USB under the mask somewhere? Hmmm... Obviously the next USB version, after 3 isn't going to be "corded."

*Scratches Chin*

mr.handsomeman · 05-20-2008, 12:43 PM

wow man, this is so amazing. i love hearing ane learning about technology. But i mean, until mid-2009? that seems so far away, I don't want to wait you know?

runtohell121 · 05-20-2008, 03:31 PM

things would be expensive though.. things that uses usb 3.0 that is >.<

Little Horn · 05-20-2008, 03:47 PM

Yeah but you've got to keep in mind that it doesn't matter how fast you can transfer data because the data is only going to move at the speed that your device (zune, flash drive, harddrive, etc...) can read it and write it. I'm not 100% sure on the average speed of a SATA drive now is only like 3mbps (if I'm not mistaken) and I understand that the Raptor drives are pretty damn quick but what do they tap out at like a gig? I'm not saying that this isn't a great advance in technology as HDD speeds will only increase but. So don't expect a huge difference in transfer rates in the near future...

jackluo923 · 05-20-2008, 04:12 PM

um... USB 2.0 is already too fast for the zune. USB 3.0 will not have any performance improvement on current generation products.

Rapter is not the fastest HDD. Some 7200RPM drives such as Samsung F1 or Hitachi 1k7200 are faster than Rapter. These drives can achieve a bout 150-200MB/s burst speed.
This is equal to approximately 1.2Gbit-1.6Gbit/s. SATA 300 has a maximum theoretical speed of 2.4Gbit/s.

BTW... USB 3 specification has been created over year ago.

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 04:14 PM

So the new devices are going to odd-worldly expensive along with the new USB 3.0 Hardware when it's first release.

Alienware and Dell will be the first Manufacturers to integrate them with ther PC's/Notebooks.

You can guarantee that. :P

jackluo923 · 05-20-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HeXuS

So the new devices are going to odd-worldly expensive along with the new USB 3.0 Hardware when it's first release.

Alienware and Dell will be the first Manufacturers to integrate them with ther PC's/Notebooks.

You can guarantee that. :P

From what i've heard, USB will have different connector than usb2 because it has 3 lanes.. I think. It has been a while and my memory might be off.

Of course anything new will be expensive.

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 04:40 PM

No, you're correct. I've been researching the new 3.0 for almost 2 weeks now.

It's nowhere near relative to the old USB. USB 1.1 AND 2..they were basically the same, just different connectors and different internal programming, thus the difference in speed. 3 is an entirely different type of connector, different shape from the other 2, and much smaller in size.

soccerfreak24 · 05-20-2008, 04:44 PM

OO, USB 3.0 sounds pretty tight. Those transfer speeds are insane...

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 06:03 PM

I just wonder what the other hardware requirements are going to be for it... RAM & Processor speed, etc...

Those requirements might be outrageous in price as well.

Eurydius del Ark · 05-20-2008, 06:24 PM

In theory is sounds bloody orgasmic ._.

But, if your device isn't fast enough, it will just get backed up and the data will merge into the same lane.

(...did I just type "bloody orgasmic"?)

lpxxfaintxx · 05-20-2008, 06:28 PM

Sounds like a long-term investment. The whole computing world will be different once all the new hardware is in place and USB 3.0 is as popular as USB 2.0 is right now.

Hostile · 05-20-2008, 07:15 PM

I thought USB3.0 is supposed to be backwards compatible with 2.0. Just like 2.0 was with 1.1. I look at it this way, sure our devices aren't fast enough for it now, but you need the headroom to expand. This pulls the limitation of the interface, and puts the weight to improve on hard drive and device manufacturers.

MasterSprtn117 · 05-20-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HeXuS

Transfer speeds are estimated to be around 4.8GBPS...

Holy crap, that's really fast..I'm going to have to get a newer computer soon...

**HeXuS** · 05-20-2008, 08:09 PM

Not until 2009. LOL! And don't worry, I'm sure most computers released in '09 will still 100% support USB 2.

ShotgunSnipist · 05-20-2008, 08:11 PM

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? THATS FASTER THEN MY COMPUTER CAN CUT AND PASTE!

That means it could transfer a little bit more then my flash drive in 1 SECOND!?
It takes me like 5 minutes to transfer 800mbs right now!

Only One year to go.... >=(

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HeXuS Vista Zune Styler Premium Member Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Reputation: 37	So the new devices are going to odd-worldly expensive along with the new USB 3.0 Hardware when it's first release. Alienware and Dell will be the first Manufacturers to integrate them with ther PC's/Notebooks. You can guarantee that. :P __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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HeXuS Vista Zune Styler Premium Member Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Reputation: 37	No, you're correct. I've been researching the new 3.0 for almost 2 weeks now. It's nowhere near relative to the old USB. USB 1.1 AND 2..they were basically the same, just different connectors and different internal programming, thus the difference in speed. 3 is an entirely different type of connector, different shape from the other 2, and much smaller in size. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by HeXuS : 05-20-2008 at 06:02 PM.

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jackluo923 Senior Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Greater Vancouver BC Posts: 1,275 Reputation: 122	um... USB 2.0 is already too fast for the zune. USB 3.0 will not have any performance improvement on current generation products. Rapter is not the fastest HDD. Some 7200RPM drives such as Samsung F1 or Hitachi 1k7200 are faster than Rapter. These drives can achieve a bout 150-200MB/s burst speed. This is equal to approximately 1.2Gbit-1.6Gbit/s. SATA 300 has a maximum theoretical speed of 2.4Gbit/s. BTW... USB 3 specification has been created over year ago.

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soccerfreak24 Support Team Expert Zuner Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,928 Reputation: 189	OO, USB 3.0 sounds pretty tight. Those transfer speeds are insane... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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HeXuS Vista Zune Styler Premium Member Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Reputation: 37	I just wonder what the other hardware requirements are going to be for it... RAM & Processor speed, etc... Those requirements might be outrageous in price as well. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Eurydius del Ark Experienced Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ark Posts: 133 Reputation: 18	In theory is sounds bloody orgasmic ._. But, if your device isn't fast enough, it will just get backed up and the data will merge into the same lane. (...did I just type "bloody orgasmic"?) __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Hostile Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 269 Reputation: 29	I thought USB3.0 is supposed to be backwards compatible with 2.0. Just like 2.0 was with 1.1. I look at it this way, sure our devices aren't fast enough for it now, but you need the headroom to expand. This pulls the limitation of the interface, and puts the weight to improve on hard drive and device manufacturers. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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HeXuS Vista Zune Styler Premium Member Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Reputation: 37	Not until 2009. LOL! And don't worry, I'm sure most computers released in '09 will still 100% support USB 2. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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