Theory 1
Argument: Gas prices are leading to a decline in America's moral and increasing overall bad attitudes
Basis: Since gas prices are so high, people are unwilling to drive as much to hang out as they normally would. Also, people may feel the need to work longer hours to compensate for said rise in prices.
Theory 2
Argument: Being f'ed up is normal
Basis: While individual flaws may differ, nearly everyone thinks there's something screwed up about them. They, however, try to hid this as much as possible in an attempt to appear "normal". Since nearly everyone does this, a false conception of what is "normal" has arisen.
Feel free to debate/discuss.
I'll post more as they come.
I think that gas prices are leading to bad moods not because people have to work longer hours and cuz they dont want to drive father (why couldn't they just bike?) i think it is because they are mad at the govenment and we could easily lower gas prices if other nations would let us drill for oil off shore in the atlantic ocean not just the gulf of mexico.
Hehe, I know full well I'm ****ed up. : p I don't try to hide it.
One thing I've come to notice is that so many people want to be "different," but it's funny how they go about being "different" as it's usually quite similar to most others, so in their quest to be "different," they've become the same. Therefore, I've concluded that perhaps the best way to be different is to be normal. Feel me?
Many people can't bike because they don't live in a city. It would take my Dad 4 Hours to bike to work(and no, there are no Jobs in our town where he could work and make the same or better money). However, his company is very good about paying for the gas(every last cent of it) he uses to get to and from work.
I am willing to bet if we stopped the 'war' in Iraq and Afghanistan, gas prices would go down.
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I think that gas prices are leading to bad moods not because people have to work longer hours and cuz they dont want to drive father (why couldn't they just bike?) i think it is because they are mad at the govenment and we could easily lower gas prices if other nations would let us drill for oil off shore in the atlantic ocean not just the gulf of mexico.
It is my crazy theory that high gas prices will solve America's problems
1. They will make a push for energy efficiencey and sustainability so we don't screw ourselves over.
2. They will reduce obesity
3. They will get us out of Iraq
Theory 1
Argument: Gas prices are leading to a decline in America's moral and increasing overall bad attitudes
Basis: Since gas prices are so high, people are unwilling to drive as much to hang out as they normally would. Also, people may feel the need to work longer hours to compensate for said rise in prices.
Theory 2
Argument: Being f'ed up is normal
Basis: While individual flaws may differ, nearly everyone thinks there's something screwed up about them. They, however, try to hid this as much as possible in an attempt to appear "normal". Since nearly everyone does this, a false conception of what is "normal" has arisen.
Feel free to debate/discuss.
I'll post more as they come.
Okay, I'll start discussing/debating Theory 1
Gas prices really aren't that expensive. I mean it's $3.91 here, I complain it's too much. But in other parts of the world it's double that.
Also, you pay more for a 20oz bottle of water than you do 20oz of Gas. Let me explain.
There are 128oz in a gallon. A 20oz bottle of water here is $1.25 excluding tax, tax is already in the price of gas, i won't add tax to the water. 128/20=6.4, if we multiple 6.4 by the $1.25. We get $8. We pay $8 for a gallon of water, that's half of what we pay for a gallon of gas. The tax isn't included in the water, but in gas it is.
We should also demand lower prices for bottles of water while we are at it.
Theory 2
You kind of have a weak basis.
Normal is what you perceive it to be. Just because someone wants to hide something they don't see as normal, doesn't mean it's abnormal to someone else. Just because the original person wants to hide it doesn't mean it's not normal. It could be something like a scar or pimple, so they wear make up. They don't see it being normal so they hide it.
Also, if it's hidden you won't know it's there to begin with, so they'll appear normal to you, even if you see the flaw you won't know they're hiding it usually, unless they mention it.
But I do agree, everyone does have flaws they hide. You can't really defined normal anyways because there isn't a set in stone normality. Everyone views things differently.
I somewhat agree with your theories. I really don't think getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan will lower prices. That has little to no effect on the world demand for oil. And yes, everyone is f'd up. =)
If gas and war weren't our 'major' issues then it would just be something else. An entire nation can never be satisfied because there are majorities and minorities and a balance will probably never be reached.
If gas and war weren't our 'major' issues then it would just be something else. An entire nation can never be satisfied because there are majorities and minorities and a balance will probably never be reached.
Yeah true but I bet the other problems wouldn't cost us much more money to do the things that we normaly do to live our lives.
And Atrocious, that math doesn't make any sense though I get it to some degree, It must be just in your area though I like what you said about normality.
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[U]Theory 2[/U]
Argument: Being f'ed up is normal
Basis: While individual flaws may differ, nearly everyone thinks there's something screwed up about them. They, however, try to hid this as much as possible in an attempt to appear "normal". Since nearly everyone does this, a false conception of what is "normal" has arisen.QUOTE]
The people who hide their problems, just want to be accepted by others. We've all been told that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Normal is alot deeper than people wearing the same color shoes. Everyone wears shoes, even they were neon red, with SpongeBob on them. It's normal to wear shoes. However, it isn't normal to murder children, donate huge sums of money, or walk down the street naked. A majority of people don't do these said things, so they are considered un-normal
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Normal is alot deeper than people wearing the same color shoes. Everyone wears shoes, even they were neon red, with SpongeBob on them. It's normal to wear shoes. However, it isn't normal to murder children, donate huge sums of money, or walk down the street naked. A majority of people don't do these said things, so they are considered un-normal
That can be normal for one person. But yeah, I'm talking about perception of normality for society.
New theory, perhaps a controversial one. Not saying I agree with either side.
Theory 3: Argument: People who date prior to college typically don't date for dating's intended purpose (to find a spouse). Basis: Personal experience/observation.
Should be fairly easy to see in a majority of relationships.
Theory 1
Argument: Gas prices are leading to a decline in America's moral and increasing overall bad attitudes
Argument:
1) Internet is leading to a increasing in overall bad attitudes.
2) Gas Prices is just one more thing on the pile of stuff already on the plate.
3) Morals fluctuate from strict to non-strict. Currently we are in a transition state between the overly strict Victorian like and non strict Hippie state of the 60s.
4) All of this would cause most individuals to have a bad attitude whether that person is American, European, et cetera.
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Basis: Since gas prices are so high, people are unwilling to drive as much to hang out as they normally would. Also, people may feel the need to work longer hours to compensate for said rise in prices.
Basis:
1) Internet has created a culture of instant gratification unseen before in human history. This has led to a greater impatience in individuals who want what they want now and care not to wait for it.
2) Gas prices, taxes, deficit, political punditry along with political division and even more are all on the plate of the U.S. Citizen. While a citizen may be quite angry at Gas prices they only really have themselves to blame as they elected officials for the last 40 years who have helped to cause yet one more problem on their plate. It damages an argument if effect of gas prices on a citizen is taken separately without putting it in its proper context.
3) History, History, History. Read it, learn it, take it in. Morals fluctuate over periods of time they are not a constant. You will have a period of strict morality. Followed by a complete breakaway from that to non-strict morality. After that a semi-balance between the two before the cycle begins again.
4) To assume gas prices and its accompanying (see #2) issues only effect US Citizens fails to look at the effect it has an individual's mindset. Financial issues have always been very stressful upon an individual, regardless of citizenship.
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Theory 2
Argument: Being f'ed up is normal
1) No. After all it is all a perception thing and perception varies from individual to individual. The better theory would be to state that an one's sense of normalcy can be f'ed up as their perception is faulty from one's own perception.
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Basis: While individual flaws may differ, nearly everyone thinks there's something screwed up about them. They, however, try to hid this as much as possible in an attempt to appear "normal". Since nearly everyone does this, a false conception of what is "normal" has arisen.
1) Everything is based on a person's perception and perception is subjective. Objectivity is falsely believed to exist.
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Theory 3: Argument: People who date prior to college typically don't date for dating's intended purpose (to find a spouse). Basis: Personal experience/observation.
Should be fairly easy to see in a majority of relationships.
Argument and Basis: False, as relationships are a variable not a control. Some relationships can be for spouse and some just for dating. Basis, in the military over 75% of the personnel are married and quite a few from high school relationships. There is too much variability in relationships to make a typical judgment from them.
Theory Coyote Alpha
Argument: Politicians repeat predecessors to show change while change is not present.
Basis: Obama and Como. Obama has touted change while not specifying what change is to take place other than existing ideas. Ideas put forward by Como or other predecessors that return the state to a previous cycle that may be harmful.
Heh, glad someone is taking the time to dissect these
What you say about theory two is what I'm trying to vocalize (or the interweb equivalent). I just suck at putting things to words : p
You're right, it's about perception, and that's what I touched on. There's a false perception of what the truth of the matter really is.
A great deal of people perceive themselves as flawed and if they don't there's still a good chance someone else does.
Can't establish the theory without criteria and you can't establish criteria without the theory. Just because something is flawed doesn't mean its wrong and just because something right doesn't mean its perfect.
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Our real worry right now is the Communists.
Kim Jong Il is not a communist.
He is a dictator in a totaltarian state and that is what is dangerous.
All major communist countries (only really one big one, P.R. China) are tied into the Western economy and vice versa. The danger comes in with a state that answers to only one man with no check or balance on his power. Even a communist state has a modicum of checks and balances.
I would say that gas prices make people ticked off simply because its money that they wouldnt get to enjoy on a normal basis. It definitely frustrates the older generation because we recall the former gas prices of 1 dollar and change and feel sort of manipulated.
But to address the basic principle of theory 2, shi happens
about theroy one... yes that does make perfect sense... and plz allow me to say this..
I think that the big oil companies should be getting taxed... not the consumer... every year they get richer.... prices shoot up... also I think that we (the american ppl) should allow the national guard to start drilling for oil in the US... it makes sense to me... it's just my view on the thing...
"Big Oil Companies are the culprit and should be taxed."
If they get taxed higher prices will shoot up higher to cover the costs. When one really thinks hard about their profit margin it is really just crap compared to HMOs. Seriously, a 4-6% profit that is just plain horrible from a company standpoint.
The problem with gas prices stems from one thing and it is really this one thing only...oil futures market. The oil futures market right now has serious problems with corruption, like one guy who was responsible for shooting the whole thing over $100 dollars a barrel just to see if he could.
What needs to be done is drilling for oil, in fact it should have been done in the 1970s during the oil embargo. Drill for oil, construct a couple more refineries especially one that sole purpose is diesel or airplane fuel and prices will drop like a rock as the people in the oil futures market won't be able to sustain the high price for futures when all that stuff comes to bear onto them.
This is the only way that problem can in all logical sense be solved correctly. The "Change" way will just worsen the situation while the ones of "Change" will never feel that kind of pain or impact. Like one congresswoman who drives a heavily armored SUV that gets 10mph or less to the gallon. Do we think she pays for her gas or do we the people flip the bill?
Take down the oil futures market by eliminating their sources of play that wreak havoc on the market and gas prices will go done, no doubt about it.
Can this theory be argued against economically?
The United States of America has huge untapped oil reserves that will make the sheiks of the Middle East green with envy and will also eliminate them from North American use.
Dizzy's Theories.
