Should we outlaw abortion?

sonicgeek · 07-02-2007, 05:57 PM

Ok i thought i should bring the debate out in the open. This is my personal standpoint: Abortion kills innocent children because you were stupid and became pregnant without wanting a child, so you think you should be able to kill an unborn (or "half born" as the selfish women call it) child without caring about what the child could have been. I also believe that selective abortion is terrible, not just for the children killed, but the siblings. (how would you like having the knowledge that your parents killed your sibling just because you seemed the wiser choice to keep, all that guilt all your life just because of someone elses selfishness?)

So anyway vote.

chrisiscool62 · 07-02-2007, 06:43 PM

completely agree with u sonicgeek..u have a future in politics.

Nurta · 07-02-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Ok i thought i should bring the debate out in the open. This is my personal standpoint: Abortion kills innocent children

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because you were stupid and became pregnant without wanting a child, so you think you should be able to kill an unborn (or "half born" as the selfish women call it) child

I have never heard a fetus called "half born" and sperm and eggs are unborn children as much as fetuses are, why make the distinction at conception?

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without caring about what the child could have been.

that is ridiculous, potential is not a valid argument, maybe if you rape the next woman you see you will conceive a child who could grow up as the next Einstein! Potential isn't real, it is a figment.

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I also believe that selective abortion is terrible, not just for the children killed, but the siblings. (how would you like having the knowledge that your parents killed your sibling just because you seemed the wiser choice to keep, all that guilt all your life just because of someone elses selfishness?)

Um, what? That makes no sense, who would feel guilty because your parents didn't want two? I'm wasn't born in that situation, but I know there is no way I would feel guilty in that situation, and I don't know anyone who would.

Besides if your argument is the loss of potential, do you also deny the right to use contraception?

Phantom707 · 07-02-2007, 07:07 PM

I say that it should not be allowed to continue. If the woman feels that she is not ready to take care of a child, she should just put it up for adoption. Also, if the woman thinks that it would be too painful to give birth to a child, she could always take some medication to relieve most, if not all, of the pain of the experience. Anyways, that is just my point of view, but I still respect a woman's choice to have an abortion, even if I do not condone it.

Chiups · 07-02-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Abortion kills innocent children because you were stupid and became pregnant without wanting a child, so you think you should be able to kill an unborn (or "half born" as the selfish women call it) child without caring about what the child could have been.

Ok you stop being selfish and think about the women. Lets think about rape victims, do you think it is selfish if the woman doesnt want to look at that child and see her assailant?

And this what it could've been mentality as no backing whatsoever. This child could grow up to be the next Son of Sam, who knows, and more importantly who cares.

The decision of abortion should be left up to one person and one person alone, the woman carrying the child.

nbeerbower · 07-02-2007, 07:28 PM

I don't like abortion, but I don't think it should be outlawed.

Beausiph · 07-02-2007, 07:38 PM

here's one for all of you (evil) republicans out there....... A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all humankind without regulation.........so all in all abortion shouldn't be outlawed, and even if it was, women would still do it, with houshold items and such. so we should at least make it safe, and make sure it gets done by a professional

wizardmt70 · 07-03-2007, 04:52 AM

I'm a Christian (and democrat) who sorta rode the fence on abortion until I found this website.

*****warning: Site contains extremely graphic video*****

http://www.abortionno.org/

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now.... I cannot in good conscience support abortion.

Chiups · 07-03-2007, 05:01 AM

So now you are easily swayed by a website that is designed to shock/guilt trip you into sharing their views?

sonicgeek · 07-03-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurta

fetusesI have never heard a fetus called "half born" and sperm and eggs are unborn children as much as fetuses are, why make the distinction at conception? that is ridiculous, potential is not a valid argument, maybe if you rape the next woman you see you will conceive a child who could grow up as the next Einstein! Potential isn't real, it is a figment. Um, what? That makes no sense, who would feel guilty because your parents didn't want two? I'm wasn't born in that situation, but I know there is no way I would feel guilty in that situation, and I don't know anyone who would.

Besides if your argument is the loss of potential, do you also deny the right to use contraception?

Let me clarify about "half born" children, it's basically the same as infanticide, killing a child after it's born. The child is almost all the way out of the womb and they kill it. There's the truth of it.

On another note, this barely scratches the surface. Some people want to legalize abortions ordered by the father, that gives the woman no choice, whether she wants the child or not some selfish guy doesn't want the kid alive.

putis · 07-03-2007, 06:23 AM

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The child is almost all the way out of the womb and they kill it. There's the truth of it.

That's pretty far from the truth.

The children are not 'about to come out,' abortions have to take place before a certain point (3rd trimester, I believe), and it's far from the expected birth.

You should stop spewing your biased opinions, and actually do some research and learn some things.

sonicgeek · 07-03-2007, 06:24 AM

It's not far from the truth you are the biased one without a consience. There is a procedure that kills a halfborn child.

putis · 07-03-2007, 06:27 AM

It is far from the truth.

What of the women that don't want the children? They're forced to raise children they don't want?

What about when defects are found in the womb? That child is forced to be born with whatever handicaps and/or disabilities?

Chiups · 07-03-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicgeek

It's not far from the truth you are the biased one without a consience. There is a procedure that kills a halfborn child.

"Elective induced abortion can be legally obtained in the United States up until the viability of the fetus. That is, until the 24th week of pregnancy. Third trimester abortions are extremely rare in this country, and are performed only for the preservation of the life or health of the pregnant woman. This is different in some other countries, where population laws support abortions at any time before the birth."

Do your research buddy.

sonicgeek · 07-03-2007, 06:34 AM

I think an abnormal life is better than no life at all. I think killing the child gives the child no choice. So there. You can't argue with the fact that the child isn't given any chance at life and is killed before he or she is even born.

putis · 07-03-2007, 06:38 AM

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Do you research buddy.

Yes, please do.

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I think an abnormal life is better than no life at all. I think killing the child gives the child no choice. So there. You can't argue with the fact that the child isn't given any chance at life and is killed before he or she is even born.

How would you know if an 'abnormal' life is better than none? Do you have any disablities or anything of the sort?

Also, didn't you just finish saying how the children are killed just before birth, and that they're 'half-born,' but now they're killed before birth.

Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

sonicgeek · 07-03-2007, 06:39 AM

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It is far from the truth.

What of the women that don't want the children? They're forced to raise children they don't want?

There's something called adoption. Kid lives and mother gets to live however the hell she wants. And I would only allow an abortion if the they're 100% sure that the mother will die while giving birth.

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Yes, please do.

How would you know if an 'abnormal' life is better than none? Do you have any disablities or anything of the sort?

Also, didn't you just finish saying how the children are killed just before birth, and that they're 'half-born,' but now they're killed before birth.

Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

I have talked to people I know, close friends and relatives with disabilities, both mental and physical, all would keep their lives as they are now than die before they even had a chance to live.

Chiups · 07-03-2007, 06:48 AM

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There's something called adoption. Kid lives and mother gets to live however the hell she wants.

Ok now lets say the mother can't stand to even carry the child. (i.e rape victim)
Would you have her carry it for nine months knowing how it was conceived?

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And I would only allow an abortion if the they're 100% sure that the mother will die while giving birth.

Well since there is no way to know 100% that the mother will die, we will just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best. Correct?

sonicgeek · 07-03-2007, 06:51 AM

So what your saying is the mother doesn't want to carry the child for nine months so therefore it's ok for her to kill the child with no consequences. If that's your idea of fair you are messed up. Think about everyones view of it. The child doesn't get a life because a mother doesn't want to get pregnant.

View Poll Results: Should we outlaw abortion?
Yes, stop the slaughter of innocent children!	25	35.21%
No, let women make a choice about their own body!	46	64.79%
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sonicgeek Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from. -Wisconsin Posts: 215 Reputation: 9 $zB: 6 Donate	Should we outlaw abortion? Ok i thought i should bring the debate out in the open. This is my personal standpoint: Abortion kills innocent children because you were stupid and became pregnant without wanting a child, so you think you should be able to kill an unborn (or "half born" as the selfish women call it) child without caring about what the child could have been. I also believe that selective abortion is terrible, not just for the children killed, but the siblings. (how would you like having the knowledge that your parents killed your sibling just because you seemed the wiser choice to keep, all that guilt all your life just because of someone elses selfishness?) So anyway vote.

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07-02-2007, 07:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Phantom707 Jr. Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 442 Reputation: 16 $zB: 94 Donate	I say that it should not be allowed to continue. If the woman feels that she is not ready to take care of a child, she should just put it up for adoption. Also, if the woman thinks that it would be too painful to give birth to a child, she could always take some medication to relieve most, if not all, of the pain of the experience. Anyways, that is just my point of view, but I still respect a woman's choice to have an abortion, even if I do not condone it.

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nbeerbower Zuner Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 57 Reputation: 10 $zB: 1 Donate	I don't like abortion, but I don't think it should be outlawed.

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wizardmt70 Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 50 Reputation: 7 $zB: 0 Donate	I'm a Christian (and democrat) who sorta rode the fence on abortion until I found this website. ***warning: Site contains extremely graphic video* http://www.abortionno.org/ ****************************** now.... I cannot in good conscience support abortion.

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sonicgeek Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from. -Wisconsin Posts: 215 Reputation: 9 $zB: 6 Donate	It's not far from the truth you are the biased one without a consience. There is a procedure that kills a halfborn child.

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putis Stronger than dirt Administrator Zune Priest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sexyland Posts: 7,188 Reputation: 183 $zB: 3267 Donate Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	It is far from the truth. What of the women that don't want the children? They're forced to raise children they don't want? What about when defects are found in the womb? That child is forced to be born with whatever handicaps and/or disabilities? __________________ The aim of psychoanalysis is to relieve people of their neurotic unhappiness so that they can be normally unhappy. -Sigmund Freud To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by putis : 07-03-2007 at 06:34 AM.

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sonicgeek Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from. -Wisconsin Posts: 215 Reputation: 9 $zB: 6 Donate	I think an abnormal life is better than no life at all. I think killing the child gives the child no choice. So there. You can't argue with the fact that the child isn't given any chance at life and is killed before he or she is even born.

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sonicgeek Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from. -Wisconsin Posts: 215 Reputation: 9 $zB: 6 Donate	So what your saying is the mother doesn't want to carry the child for nine months so therefore it's ok for her to kill the child with no consequences. If that's your idea of fair you are messed up. Think about everyones view of it. The child doesn't get a life because a mother doesn't want to get pregnant.

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