Should we outlaw abortion?

[Dylanger17]

I agree that its wrong but to a certain extent. Cause i mean like when the fetus is less than 3 months or so you cant really consider it alive but after that or when it starts moving its pretty much alive and it would be wrong to kill it.

[David]

good job, you opened up a whole new can of worms.

[sonicgeek]

I consider it alive at any stage after conception. Which it technically is alive. Some people just don't care or don't know. I pity you gold.n.god

[David]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

I consider it alive at any stage after conception. Which it technically is alive. Some people just don't care or don't know. I pity you gold.n.god

I know it's alive...

I don't understand why you pity me though.

[polartch01]

In some cases I'm against abortion, but I beleive it can be a very good thing. If you were raped, you've already had the trauma of the rape itself, but now you have to deal with the rapists child? Think about, if the mother did keep the child, do you think she'd really love it as much as if it were her child? I think not.

[sonicgeek]

gold, i pity YOUR ignorance. Jeez, if u can't see that our society is going down the drain, i don't see how you can support an argument.

[David]

my ignorance of what?

that our society is going down the drain... wow... ok. that's cool. now I know. But until then. What are the benefits of outlawing abortion?

Is it just going to automatically make our society better?
No it's not. It's going to create criminals, and unsafe practices.

Just teach do the right thing and spread the message of how wrong abortion is, and if it's true, people will stop.

[Fez]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

gold, i pity YOUR ignorance. Jeez, if u can't see that our society is going down the drain, i don't see how you can support an argument.

The way you support your arguments is quite un impressive to say the least.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

OK If you haven't noticed a few things I've been saying all along, here they are:
1.Abortion is WRONG
2.Abortion is MURDERER
3.Abortion DESTROYS THE VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE
4.Abortion is SELFISH (in most cases)
5.Abortion is almost always UNNECESSARY.
6.Abortion is a COWARDS WAY OUT of having a child.
7.You shouldn't KILL A CHILD just because you can't afford/take care of the child. Think adoption.
8.If abortion is tolerated, why isn't murderer? The child can't defend themselves. It's like killing a person who's in a wheelchair from behind with a gun.
9.The Liberals who support abortion let the rapist father of the child walk the streets.

I pity you.

[ACE]

Look, here's the stance I take and what is generally accepted in legal terms:

The mother has a choice to stop her own pregnancy unless the unborn child is 'viable' - meaning the State can step in and claim the baby a potentially viable human being, able to pay taxes and become a productive member of society (yeah, how 'Matrix' is that, but that's actually how the laws are being written on this subject).

Boundaries were first outlined in Roe Vs Wade when the trimester model was adopted. The mother had the first 3 months to choose. By the second 3 months, the state could lay claim to the life, and by the third 3 months, the mother had to go through with the pregnancy. Now a days, with technology advancing in the medical field, the trimester model has been all but thrown out since babies are becoming 'viable' earlier within the first 3 months of the pregnancy.

This topic is a heated debate in the Supreme Court which needs to weigh the needs of the mother - shouldn't she have a choice at some point? Shouldn't she have a say in what's best for her baby (maybe it ain't the life she can give them) OR the needs of the unborn child - shouldn't they have the right to live? The struggle between the mother's rights and the infant's rights are what fuels this frustrating topic....

That's my 2 cents....

[David]

I can already see sonicgeek's response

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

It's wrong... you just need to throw your opinions away and accept mine. Abortion is just wrong... i'm right and you're wrong. my opinions should all be law... the world would be a better place. **** you gold.n.god

[CameleonMK]

Sonic, "gold, i pity YOUR ignorance. Jeez, if u can't see that our society is going down the drain, i don't see how you can support an argument."

WTF is dat. Your not mister I'm right and everyone should agree with me, stop acting childish man, the world doesn't revolve around you. Nobody likes a cocky person like that.

[sonicgeek]

JEEZ! U call me selfish and let some woman kill her child just because she doesn't want it around and wants to make her own life easier. I look at your words and see hypocrisy, hate, and lack of respect for human life. And Gold.n.God, look at what you're freaking writing. Saying that society doesn't agree that abortion is murder so it isn't, that's like arguing that killing someone with piano wire instead of a gun isn't murder. Abortion is another form of murder, letting it by just makes the country worse.

[bald_gye]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Ok i thought i should bring the debate out in the open. This is my personal standpoint: Abortion kills innocent children because you were stupid and became pregnant without wanting a child, so you think you should be able to kill an unborn (or "half born" as the selfish women call it) child without caring about what the child could have been. I also believe that selective abortion is terrible, not just for the children killed, but the siblings. (how would you like having the knowledge that your parents killed your sibling just because you seemed the wiser choice to keep, all that guilt all your life just because of someone elses selfishness?)

So anyway vote.

your argument is basied on a fetus being a living breathing person that can think for its self. when its not at all.

The fetus is not aware of anything thats going on and cant even support its own life. while its growing its essencialy a canser. a growing mutation that takes away the resources brought by the host(the mother).


i think its insane to outlaw abortions becasue that never stops it. it never did b4 and it wont if its outlawed again. women then just have to go underground and then can die as a result or the fetus can be killed inhumaily. the badly perfomed oporations could leave the women sterile.


i dont think its of any of us to say that a women cant have an abortion. its there choice. yes i agree the 'father' should have some say depending on curcomstances but that would only be exploited.

while the fetus is in a woman and cant support its own life. then it should be allowed to be killed if needed...i mean **** me its not like the population of any devloped nation is trouble of being too few....

[David]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

JEEZ! U call me selfish and let some woman kill her child just because she doesn't want it around and wants to make her own life easier. I look at your words and see hypocrisy, hate, and lack of respect for human life. And Gold.n.God, look at what you're freaking writing. Saying that society doesn't agree that abortion is murder so it isn't, that's like arguing that killing someone with piano wire instead of a gun isn't murder. Abortion is another form of murder, letting it by just makes the country worse.

Killing someone with a piano is indeed murder. Killing an unborn baby is also, murder (in one of it's many forms)

However, when someone dies because of the actions of another person, is it always murder?

The circumstances of the death, and the mode of killing is what decides how someone is punished for murder.

In self defence, you can get away with murder for anywhere from 10 years to two years, to nothing at all.

Murder by accident. You're not always punished so severely unless you're "under the influence"

So you see how something as simple as taking a life, can change just from how it was taken, and why? It's our job as humans, to decide how people should be punished for their actions, or if they should be punished at all. We have yet to decide whether or not to punish someone for abortion. Let alone what we would do if it was illegal, and they did get an abortion anyway.

I still stand firm on my argument that making abortion ILLEGAL is wrong. However, I agree that abortion in its self, is wrong. It just has no reason to become illegal.

So... lets pretent abortion was illegal. What would be the punishment? Would we give them a fine? How about a prison sentence? The amount of people who would get abortions might decrease a little from it being outlawed, but there would still be too many people getting them.

People still smoke pot, take drugs, drive drunk, rape, murder, and steal.

and if abortion becomes illegal, people will still do it. It would only cause something that isnt' really that bad, to become illegal. It would make average, good citizens, into criminals.

you're a fool if you don't understand that.

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bald buy... lol at the population part... I totally agree

[bald_gye]

btw i also think that people have the right to kill them self's. or if they cant be assisted. cant remeber what its called.....blast!

[David]

it's called euthanasia or something like that.

[bald_gye]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

it's called euthanasia or something like that.

thats the ticket...damn that was annoying me for some time



also the poll choises are a joke. how are unborn un devloped fetuses childeren exactaly? they arnt even technicaly 'alive'

[David]

lol... I brought up the bad choice of words in the poll once already... sonic went off on some random "my body my choise = bad" tangent

[bald_gye]

tbh not being american i couldn't give a **** if u did outlaw it.