Should we outlaw abortion?

[Chiups]

So then, assuming that you eat meat. The beef and pork you eat, were those animals murdered too?

[sonicgeek]

Animals were put on this earth to help us survive. Killing the enemy in war is murder, it's accepted because you are both trying to kill each other, combat. Killing someone by accident is an accident. Killing someone sentenced to death is punishment. Abortion is murder, it kill someone innocent and killing them only serves the purpose of making sure you don't have to deal with them.

[theDark]

What if there is a high chance the mother will die if she is pregnant, for whatever reason it may be (too young for the body to cope, ill etc.) then abortion would be the only way surely? Cease one life which hasnt even properly started to save another, or do you think it makes more since to just leave the mother to die and in turn the unborn baby?

[doodoosticks]

no, babys can sometimes ruin lives

[David]

Originally Posted by doodoosticks

no, babys can sometimes ruin lives

true.

oh, thrax... what I was trying to say is that murder can be different in the eyes of someone else. untill we as a society know whether or not it's murder, you can't say for sure that it is with out a doubt murder... language is stupid like that. But I agree, it kills something that has no reason to die... in some cases.

it seems like most of you think people just go out and get abortions... I'm sure that most abortions in the country are because the baby is sick, and the parents don't want it to suffer and die.

or the mother is sick, and doesn't want to risk her life. (maybe selfish, but it's reasonable)

and rape/incest... really, If I were a woman, I would not want to have a child via rape. and incest... well... sometimes the baby doesn't live anyway, or the two relatives don't want the baby.

given... even in those situations, not everybody chooses abortion. I know someone who's husband's cousins had a baby, and plan to raise it.

I know two people who've been raped, and neither got pregnant, but one said that they wouldn't abort a baby if they got pregnant.

my grandmother risked her life when she had my uncle.

so as you can see... people's opinions are all different.

can't you accept that some people don't think abortion is a problem?
and in our country, people's opinions become laws... and if we can't agree, then no law is passed, and it stays the same.

I think that abortion is wrong, but I understand that other people disagree.

[sonicgeek]

I disagree, it is flat out murder, whatever the reason or cause, it's murder. You can't put any spin on it and change it. That's the problem these days. They try to make murder look good by saving someone the pain of raising a child. Our country is selfish to the core.

[Hyphy]

Yes abortion should be outlawed, innocent lives are being taken.

[David]

the only reason I wouldn't choose abortion is because I would raise the baby myself, but that doesn't change that other people don't think the same as me.

the fact is that others don't think it's wrong, whether it is or not. we can't outlaw something untill it's a problem... and in the eyes of most people, including me, it's not a problem.

but yeah... I don't like the whole idea of abortion... I'm just defending the people who disagree... they need to be defended and their opinion matters.

[sonicgeek]

Still, it is a problem, it's like saying that because some poeple are getting killed off for no reason it's a not a problem. Yes everyone has an opinion, but that doesn't mean they have valid reasons behind it. We should address the issue now before it becomes a problem, it' like outlawing robbery before anyone robs a bank, same principle.

[David]

not really... theft if a crime because of the moral value, but it's also hurts people, and is bad for the economy.

I know abortion "hurts" people (the baby doesn't feel anything) but really... it doesn't affect you in any way. The only reason you have to outlaw it is that you think it's wrong.

you have no valid reason behind it.

reasons for abortion:
mental problems (mother and or baby)
physical problem (mother and or baby)
economic (mother can't afford it) *there's adoption... but not many kids get adopted* *(that's not a good reason IMO)*
mother might not want to have a baby who's father raped her
incest (nuff said)

reasons for not having abortion:
"it's wrong"
it kills innocent children (this is only true if you're not christian, if you are, then you know those babies aren't innocent)

[sonicgeek]

I am a Christian, but i don't believe in original sin, that's a Catholic thing, which I am not. But I do believe in our inherint sinful nature. Also, how can you know the child feels no pain, it's dead and you sure can't tell what it felt. I would let abortion pass (reluctantly) if doctors are absolutely sure that the mother would die.

[Chiups]

As previously stated, there is NO way to know 100% that the mother will be harmed, and those are chances that I am not willing to take with my spouse's life.

[sonicgeek]

If you're married, it's your fault you're pregnant. There's no reason to kill the child just cause you were stupid and got pregnant when u didn't want a child.

[Chiups]

Yes, im sorry we got pregnant babe, you might die, we could save your life but we stupidly got pregnant. Too bad.

[David]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

I am a Christian, but i don't believe in original sin, that's a Catholic thing, which I am not. But I do believe in our inherint sinful nature. Also, how can you know the child feels no pain, it's dead and you sure can't tell what it felt. I would let abortion pass (reluctantly) if doctors are absolutely sure that the mother would die.

you can tell what it felt by checking it's brain activity.

besides, most abortions occur before the baby has the ability to feel (tell me if i'm wrong)

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

If you're married, it's your fault you're pregnant. There's no reason to kill the child just cause you were stupid and got pregnant when u didn't want a child.
Today 06:27 AM

omg did you even read what he said? you said you'd let an abortion pass if the mother would die... and now you're saying it's not ok?
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anyway...
there's no rock solid reason to ban abortion. so why would it need to be banned?

if you don't like abortion, then don't get one.

I just don't like when people try to force their ideas on other people, it's evil... let others think for theirself's and don't try to take away their freedoms.

because that's what outlawing abortion would do, it would take away yet another freedom of the american people.

I just don't understand why you're trying to take away someone else's rights... it doesn't make any sence to me...

I figured you were at least able to understand that people don't look at things the same as you, and drop your argument right there... but no... you just spewing out the same crap over and over again... you don't say anything... you just type out crap in hope that maybe this time someone is going to change thier mind.

and no... abortion is not a problem

the only reason you think it is, is because you think it's "wrong"
abortion lowers the population level, that's a good thing for everybody... the good of all mankind... can't you see that?

abortion helps parents cope with difficult situations... think of how many people have to live the life of a poor person because they can't afford to raise a baby.

I really can't think of anything that really is wrong with abortion.

and like I said before, the only reason I think it's "wrong" is because I would raise the baby.

but if the mother wants the abortion, it's not my right to say she can't have it.

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It really doesn't make sence to me why you think your opinion on abortion should be a law... can you at least explain that?

and don't say "because it's wrong"

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I just got onto myspace, and one of my friends posted this in a bulletin:
if u read this all then nothing will happen to u ONLY if u report this. If u dont then just read all of it and ull find out.

Guy:"Lets have sex right now."

Girl: "Can we do what?"

Guy: "You know, can I be your first, finally?"

Girl: "Um.....no."

Guy: "Why?"

Girl: "Because, 1. you have a girlfriend, who happens to be my friend......."

Guy: "So, if you don't tell, I won't tell."

Girl: "Besides that, I'm waiting for someone special. Someone that I want to be with for the rest of my life to be my first."

Guy: "I'm not special to you?"

ikinGirl: "You're my friend. That's all."

Guy: looks forward and keeps driving.



5 minutes pass.......



Guy: starts to run his hand up the girl's thigh.

Girl: moves his hand, "Don't touch me.".

Guy: tries to kiss her.

Girl: screams, "Would you stop."

Guy: continues trying.

Girl: moves to the back seat



Guy: parks on an abandoned street and gets in the backseat with the girl. Starts to kiss her.

Girl: pushes him off and scoots over, "Please, don't do this."

Guy: "Don't do what, I know you want it, I can see it in your eyes." Moves over to her and starts to unbutton her pants.

Girl: pushes him harder and says, "No, don't."

Guy: getting aggravated, punches her and tells her to stop "playing hard to get".

Girl: crying, continues to fight.

Guy: punches her harder, pulls her pants off, and holds her down.

Girl: screams as he penetrates her, "NO, please don't do this to me!"

Guy: puts his hand over her mouth.





An hour passes.........

Guy: pulls back and wipes himself off.

Girl: sits on the corner of the seat, crying.

Guy: looks at her and says, "You better not tell anybody about this. If you're really my friend, you won't tell anybody about this. You know I love you." He reaches out his hand to touch her cheek.

Girl: pulls back, "Just take me home, now."

Guy: says, "Alright." Gets in the front seat and drives her home.





2 months later.........

Girl: "Doctor, what's wrong with me. I haven't had my time of the month in 2 months."

Doctor: looks at her, "You haven't been having your "time" for a reason."

Girl: looks at him and says, "Why?" dreading the answer that she was sure to receive.

Doctor: "You are pregnant."

Girl: faints.



The story gets out that she is pregnant, and people start looking to the Guy. He claims that it isn't his because she was sleeping with every guy in the school(which was a lie). He goes to her and tells her, "I'm telling you, if you lie to people and say that I raped you, I'll kill you."



The Girl is completely devastated. First, he took her virginity and got her pregnant....then he lied about it. So completely depressed......the girl commits suicide by drug overdose.......



Girls, if this story touched you, repost it as "No means no *******"





Guys, if this story pisses you off, repost it as "I'll kill any ****er who does this to my girl or any girl"

Well the way I see it if you open and read this and DON"T REPOST this you must be for rape???
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I think that's a perfect situation for abortion.

and don't say "she should have left"

because she could have done plenty things, but that doesn't change the situation.

and I doubt this is based on a true story, but I'm sure this has happened many times before.

[Mrtacobell]

Its plain and simple, abortion is murder.

[sonicgeek]

K first let me straighten something out. The guy would be known or thought of as the father of the child right away, if u don't believe me look to the recent CNN news story about a guy who was paying child support for a kid who wasn't even his (they used a DNA test, also why the guy couldn't lie).

Also if you wanna talk rights look at the child, the mother FORCES abortion on the child and the child dies. nice skewed image of freedom and rights ya got there.

[David]

I guess we just have different opinions on what's right... well... we don't, I agree with you that abortion is wrong... I just don't wanna force my opinion on others with a pointless law.

and you still haven't responded to why you think your opinion is better than theirs, and why your opinion should be a law.

I mean... laws aren't made unless there's a problem... and currently, abortion isn't a problem.

[sonicgeek]

It's a problem. It's ruining America. Teens decide they don't have to care about getting pregnant cuz they can have an abortion and never have kids to worry about. They can go on with their selfish lives (from selfish decisions, not rape/incest/whatever) and kill their children.

[Fez]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

It's a problem. It's ruining America. Teens decide they don't have to care about getting pregnant cuz they can have an abortion and never have kids to worry about.

Thats a good point and banning abortion will solve that, as they will be more careful when having sex.
That will also cause problems for other people however like for those whose decisions of abortion are not selfish like "rape/incest/whatever".
The problems caused will be greater than the one problem solved.
Then why not go for the alternative method and educate the teens, that wouldn't effect others and leave the final decisions up to the people.

Their abortions might be mistakes and murders in your eyes, but let them do what they want with their own babies. Leave the room for mistakes open, and if they are mistakes as u say...people will learn with time.