Should we outlaw abortion?

[Fez]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Yes it's a baby. Why kill some little child and get raped?

bcoz its her baby and she doesnt want it and u dont get raped before u kill a child u get raped then u get pregnant and she has the option to get rid of it if she doesn't want it.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

If you can make something beautiful out of a horrible ordeal, you are a good person.

What makes u say that, after all the pain she has gone through, she can choose not to be the "good person" as u say, because she didn't choose to get pregnant in the first place. One can argue that its good to make the best of things but you really cant put yourself into their shoes and decide for them. If abortion is outlawed then they don't have the choice or opportunity to decide. These are adults here. They are capable of deciding whats best for them. You can give advice, you cannot hold their hands and lead them into a direction you choose.

[sonicgeek]

I think offering them the choice of abortion eliminates the choice of life for the child. Going through pregnancy and getting rid of the child after they're born to adoption is a better choice than just killing the child, eliminating a life just because they don't want to be pregnant.

[Fez]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

I think offering them the choice of abortion eliminates the choice of life for the child.

No it does not.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Going through pregnancy and getting rid of the child after they're born to adoption is a better choice than just killing the child, eliminating a life just because they don't want to be pregnant.

Better choice, in your eyes. And if u call it a choice then it should be a choice not something that everyone in that situation HAS to do, and thats what will happen if abortion is outlawed.

[theDark]

If a woman (girl) is raped and as a result gets pregnant then she should have every right to have an abortion, children should only be bought into this world by a loving couple who will be able to care for them and give them all the benifits and chances they can and are actually able to look after a child. If a woman is raped then she had no way to prepare for a child, she may be too young to deal with one or too poor. It's not fair for her or the child to bring it into a situation where it cant get the best out of life just because of the circumstances it was concieved in. Also I've heard many stories from my mums colleagues (sexual health and social care workers) who have been spoken to children who have been abused by their mothers because they where concieved by rape and the mother basically cant stand the child as they bring back memories of it, also the mothers suffered emotional trauma as a result of the rape and therefore are mentally unstable and unfit to raise children.

[sonicgeek]

Jeez u must be illiterate, at least the other guys read my messages. ADOPTION! If you can't stand the child, are too young, too poor, etc. you put the child up for adoption and never see them again. U will never need to be reminded of what happened. Besides, research in eliminating single memories at a time is very promising. Basically done.


BTW: what's with no voting? If you got an opinion vote and defend it.

[Fez]

No replies to me?

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Jeez u must be illiterate, at least the other guys read my messages. ADOPTION! If you can't stand the child, are too young, too poor, etc. you put the child up for adoption and never see them again.

The option of Adoption comes after birth, you are happily leaving out the period of pregnancy, some women might not be old enuff or strong enuff to deal with that burden for 9 months.

[David]

I think it's ok for others to have an abortion.

However, I would never let my wife/girlfriend/whatever they might be have one.

I don't care what those people do with their babies... I just don't want my "significant other" to kill her baby... if they don't want it, I'll take care of it.

edit
after reading this thread a little.
someone said that they would allow an abortion if the mother was 100% sure to die.

even if you could figure that it's 100% (which you can't) would you still kill all that "potential"
in the baby?

it seems by that logic that letting the woman die would be better for the future.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

That's what adoption's for.

you missed the point of not wanting to bear a baby who's been half made by someone who raped you.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Jeez u must be illiterate, at least the other guys read my messages. ADOPTION! If you can't stand the child, are too young, too poor, etc. you put the child up for adoption and never see them again. U will never need to be reminded of what happened. Besides, research in eliminating single memories at a time is very promising. Basically done.


BTW: what's with no voting? If you got an opinion vote and defend it.

don't attack other members just because they don't want to read you're biased crap... I didn't read the whole thread before I posted.

There's no way to justify a complete ban on abortion.



They are too many good reasons to have it. Given there are just as many, maybe more, maybe less reasons to not have an abortion.

But it's better to have the option of abortion because there are other people who would want it. And it's that person's choice.

I also think that's not wanting to be pregnant is a horrible reason to have an abortion. But it's a reason none the less, and in some people's opinion, it's a very good reason.

I just want you to understand that there's nothing anyone can say to ban this.
unless the whole country wants to ban it, then it might be banned.

I just hate when people try to force something on someone else... I even feel bad saying that I wouldn't let someone kill my baby...

Where do you get off saying that your opinion is right? and why would you think your opinion should be a law? Every law in the united states is here for a reason, a reason that is backed up by popular vote.

sorry for tripple posting like that... but I was too lazy to edit my stuff.
Edit:
:bwofez:

[wizardmt70]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

don't attack other members just because they don't want to read you're biased crap...

Pot meet Kettle.

[putis]

Stay on topic, and try to avoid the personal attacks.

[DiggerF16]

well, im pretty far right wing, But that being said, I do beleive in a woman's right to choose, but also accordingly. I believe that just because they are hosting the child doesnt mean they have theright to take another human life from the world. And also I beleive women should have to tak responsibilty for their actions, obviously if they are getting an abortion, it wasnt meant to hapen, well thats their own problem and should be taken care of with dignity and responsibilty.

[theDark]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

Jeez u must be illiterate, at least the other guys read my messages. ADOPTION! If you can't stand the child, are too young, too poor, etc. you put the child up for adoption and never see them again. U will never need to be reminded of what happened. Besides, research in eliminating single memories at a time is very promising. Basically done.


BTW: what's with no voting? If you got an opinion vote and defend it.

So heres the situation...a 12 year old girls gets raped, theres no way you can expect her to deal with pregnancy, she would have to have an abortion. Theres no way she could cope with being pregnant and then give birth all while probably going through emotional shellshock after what happened.
Also adoption is not good for the child, my mother was adopted as her mother was only 15 when she had her and it made my mothers life alot harder growing up, so don't just keep repeating that as a way to try and make things all ok. Also the kid would go through his life knowing they where the outcome of rape, that can't be good for their mentally.

And just so you know, I'm perfectly literate I just chose not to accept your answer of abortion.

[Sexified Loveandhatejw]

If the mother is even thinking about killing the could be child because she doent want it, then how do you think she would treat that child if she was forced to give birth to it.


BIGGEST PROPLEM if the woman is raped and forced to have the child that would just prove how ****ed up our gov't really is.

No offence but if your willing just to through your child into adoption please do the world a favor kids who come out of adop. are pretty ****ed up just have an abortion.

What will be up next for disscusion whether men should be able to masterbat because each sperm could be a potential baby.

[sonicgeek]

I have relatives and friends who are adopted. Don't make generalizatons, ya stupid hick. It shows how much u know about the world around you. Knowing your mother was aware she couldn't take care of you but loved you enough to give you up would make you feel better. You can also feel good your mother chose to let you live.

[Chiups]

Again, dont attack people this is a debate, not a flame thread.

[David]

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

I have relatives and friends who are adopted. Don't make generalizatons, ya stupid hick. It shows how much u know about the world around you. Knowing your mother was aware she couldn't take care of you but loved you enough to give you up would make you feel better. You can also feel good your mother chose to let you live.

when you insult people to prove a point it shows me, and probably many others how pathedic your argument is.

You also proved a point that adoption isn't perfect. Since everyone is affected differently, there is no way to assume that the child will have a good experience going through foster homes, and different families their whole life.
Some people, however, are lucky and get adopted by a nice family. Most kids go from family to family untill they're 18, then they're kicked out into the world with little more than a garbage sack of clothes and what little money they might have.

also... that question about banning masturbation follows the same logic you're using to defend your argument... so I can assume that either you don't have your own opinion(because your argument isn't consistant, showing me that you're only preaching something that you heard), or you think masturbation should be illegal.

Originally Posted by sonicgeek

ya stupid hick.

isn't calling him a hick kinda the wrong word? because the stereotype for a hick is a rightwinged republican... so if he were a hick... he would be more likely to agree with you.

[Sexified Loveandhatejw]

Considering Ive been through 13 foster homes I know how ****ed up it can make you. gold.n.god is right I went through the sytem until I was 18, I had no money and no place to live yet i worked hard for what I have and now I have a beautiful wife and two children. Im saying abort it or take care of it the best you can .

You can also feel good your mother chose to let you live.

Im pretty sure my mom just didnt want to pay for an abortion. Considering she overdosed 2 days after she gave birth.

If you have a point state it, unlike others on here most of us will respect your opinion and not flame you, ahhem

ya stupid hick.

[Thrax]

well ok i didn't read most of the replies but Abortion is a touchy subject cuz it can and may as well involve someone being raped or just someone that is to stupid to take responsable adult decicions and as a result ending they become pregnant.

look I don't want to be all preachy and stuff but I look at it like this ABORTION IS MURDER no matter what caused the pregnancy rape,no responsability,or just a stupid choice.

[sonicgeek]

excellent point, thanks thrax. Rep points to u!