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Old 07-03-2007, 06:56 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Here's a new question for you. What innocent person dies?




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Old 07-03-2007, 06:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And now tell me this, who carries the child for nine months in her womb. Deals with the morning sickness, hormonal imbalances, and everything else related?

And thats answers you question.
Not to mention: weight gain, not being able to work (no money), and the wonderful experience of labor, which has such wonderful things as vaginal tearing, bleeding, hours of pain, etc.

But hey, that bitch deserves it for being raped.
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Here's a new question for you. What innocent person dies?
You still haven't answered my question...

And now the mother is not innocent in all this?
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umm... my personal idea about this.

We males should have nothing to do with this.

Let the Females vote and fight about this.

Cause we do not bear the children, they do.

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The child never did anything wrong to anyone. why should they be killed?




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So now you are easily swayed by a website that is designed to shock/guilt trip you into sharing their views?
I have no guilt because I have/would never choose that option for myself or my wife.

no... i felt convicted by what I've read in the scriptures and then the "reality" of the video allowed me to let go of my worldly thinking.



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Old 07-03-2007, 07:59 AM   #27 (permalink)
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So your wife doesn't have a choice in the situation? I think she should as she is the one carrying the child.

edit: Ok let me add to this. What if the procedure would save you wifes life?
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It is far from the truth.

What of the women that don't want the children? They're forced to raise children they don't want?


What about when defects are found in the womb? That child is forced to be born with whatever handicaps and/or disabilities?
You just live with the disabilities. I have hydrocephalus(excess of cerebrospinal fluid in the ventricles which causes an enlarged skull and excessive pressure on the brain) and right sided cerebral palsy, which caused a extremely stiff low range of motion in my right leg,the inability to turn my right hand over(simple, but you'd be surprised how much you do it) and a massive weakness in my right arm. Yet im living alright(learning to drive is a pretty big hurdle, but meh)

so yes, the child can live with disabilities that could be cured some day, instead of being taken out like some useless piece of crap, instead of an innocent baby that deserves to live, but can't because your not ready for kids. PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION!!!!!!!!!!!


EDIT:About Rape victims


Make something wonderful(a beautiful baby) out of a tragedy


and the "abortion will happen anyway, so make it safe" argument

It would happen alot less, because it would no longer be the easy out that makes the whole issue go away(i know thats not what it usually is, but several girls I know think, "I dont need protection, ill just get an abortion")
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:16 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Ah now this brings me back to the rape subject.

Could you imagine carrying and giving birth to the child of someone who defiled your body? Or similarly, could you bear birthing your incestuous brother/sister and son/daughter?
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Ah now this brings me back to the rape subject.

Could you imagine carrying and giving birth to the child of someone who defiled your body? Or similarly, could you bear birthing your incestuous brother/sister and son/daughter?
can't say for sure, being a male, but I think yes,I typically look for the good in any tragedy, and in this case its a beautiful baby.
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Exactly, no need to add death to an already bad situation.




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and in this case its a beautiful baby.
A beautiful baby, made by the person that raped you.
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but a baby none the less. think of it as half of you, not half of them.
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Its her baby, she is responsible for it.
and chiups got it right, if she* gets* raped and is* having a child the woman can choose not to have one for various reasons like not wanting the child to be the memory of the horrible ordeal she went thru.

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Yup, im for letting a woman choose what to do with her body. I dont think ANYONE has the right to take that choice away from a person.
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but a baby none the less. think of it as half of you, not half of them.
We are talking about banning it as a whole here, theres no choice hence there is no thought. You can think of it as half of you not half of them because there wont be any alternative way of thinking.
People can protest, manipulate, talk with and do whatever the hell they want to, but they should leave the decision up to the person who will go through the pain and who will be responsible for the child and its future.
Don't take away the ability to make a choice.



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but a baby none the less. think of it as half of you, not half of them.
Yes it's a baby. Why kill some little child and get raped? If you can make something beautiful out of a horrible ordeal, you are a good person. It's like using the metal from the twin towers to build a 9/11 memorial, something like that.




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If you can make something beautiful out of a horrible ordeal, you are a good person.
Ya, that's fine, but there are, I'm sure, plenty of women who would rather not.
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That's what adoption's for.




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Pregnancy isn't exactly a small thing to go through.
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