Democrat/Liberal or Republican/Conservative?

[BroiledVictory]

I'm borderline Democrat.
I believe in equal taxes, strong state Government, hate abortion except in the case of rape, strong supporter of partial Gun Rights, and believe in the case of the Iraq war, need to do a better job, get a better rep with the local people.

[Netrix]

If I were an American, I would be a Liberal Democrat. It is not fair to the less fortunate to have few social services to help them. Some of them resort to theft to survive, which can easily result in them being shot since everyone "has the right" to bear arms.

As for the rich, do individuals really need hundreds of millions of dollars, especially if they barely did anything to get it?

[ConnerWoods]

I am a Liberal Democrat. However, I share a few Republican views.

[ChurchedAtheist]

Liberal. american democrats are too conservative.

[Jordan]

Can someone please explain the three to me?

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by ChurchedAtheist

Liberal. american democrats are too conservative.

Unfortunately, they have to be, otherwise they would not get enough votes to stay in office.

Originally Posted by Jorvette

Can someone please explain the three to me?

Liberals generally favor social services to help people have a better quality of life. Of course, there would have to be a bit more tax to pay for such services. They also generally favor more government regulation to make sure that people are being treated fairly.

Conservatives generally favor fewer taxes, fewer social services, little gun control, and minimal government involvement. They seem to have an "everyone for themselves" mentality.

Democrats are usually liberal, and Republicans are usually conservative, but there are plenty of exceptions in both parties.

It would be better to read Wikipedia, as it has more details.

[Red Sky]

I'm moderate, but I lean to the conservative side. I'm a strong supporter of no Gun Control. I think abortion is only appropriate in the instances of rape, incest, or health issues with the mother. I believe in equal rights for minorities. I'm neutral about the war in Iraq. I'm a fan of taxing larger corporations/businesses more than smaller corporations/businesses, and feel that because 1% (or maybe more, I forget the statistics exactly) of America's population controls 97% of the money, they can also pay more taxes. I don't believe in religion in the political 'arena'. For the most part, I feel that people's money issues are a result of their own actions. There are obviously exceptions to that. As such, I think that government programs should help all Americans equally, and not give special benefits to the poor, with the exception of welfare (which needs fixing, pronto).

[ChurchedAtheist]

Originally Posted by Netrix

Unfortunately, they have to be, otherwise they would not get enough votes to stay in office.

sadly.

[Beausiph]

I'm a Liberal/Democrat sort of person.
thats how I roll

[Nurta]

Originally Posted by ChurchedAtheist

Liberal. american democrats are too conservative.

qft

Honestly I would like to see what a real liberal in the mainstream would be like. The closest is Kucinich but his rep will keep him from being really "mainstream." I mean hell, take Obama who was one of the most liberal presidents since... Carter? (although I believe Carter is more liberal nowadays than he was back in the day, if only he had run a term or two later, it would be interesting to see how history would view him) And Obama is still really moderate. I think people misoverconservimate Americans. I think if a real liberal candidate ran, one with the balls and brains to just stand up against the conservative machine, you'd find some interesting results.

[ChurchedAtheist]

Originally Posted by Nurta

qft

Honestly I would like to see what a real liberal in the mainstream would be like. The closest is Kucinich but his rep will keep him from being really "mainstream." I mean hell, take Obama who was one of the most liberal presidents since... Carter? (although I believe Carter is more liberal nowadays than he was back in the day, if only he had run a term or two later, it would be interesting to see how history would view him) And Obama is still really moderate. I think people misoverconservimate Americans. I think if a real liberal candidate ran, one with the balls and brains to just stand up against the conservative machine, you'd find some interesting results.

agreed. However, I cant think of an american with clout who is actually liberal.

[Kierdan]

Humanist, Technologist tempered with Archaeo-Environmentalism, and Preservationist only when it comes to architectural pieces.

Current "Liberal" and current "American Liberal" combined with the Conservative flunkies who proclaim conservatism why espousing the virtues of the State's rule over the states lack one vital thing... integrity. Since they lack it, they tend to engage in feel good actions that suck in the populace into thinking there method is the correct one. Blind to the harm that method causes, the supposed people who serve the "proper" way fail to see the overall damage wreaked by it.

Destroying massive tracts of land, and wildlife for GREEN Energy is anything but green at heart. Not utilizing proven technology such as nuclear power because of the "Oooooh, toxic!!" mindset, while other countries have created reprocessing plants, and storage facilities that negate it, plus provide more power with less land destroyed, and steam clouds billowing from stacks that would lead to more moisture in the area's air.

Or continuing to believe the failed two party system is the ONLY way that this country can exist... even with talking about the 1994 election happening again. OR not looking at the fact, that both agreed to give money to companies that profited from collapse. Starting a war, but not committing fully to it, thus causing it to be dragged out long enough for citizenry to become weary, not to mention the war fatigue that has set in.

In it all, failing to realize that the problem is not the people but they themselves and their actions to corrode, stymie, and pork the works.

Once again, I find myself drawn to the poem I wrote in 2008...

America, America, the land of the brave,
Those who shed their lives to fill graves,
To keep a land free,
That has lost its freedom long ago,
Bound by a constricting political foe,
A donkey and elephant who know,
That America has been a sleep,
In a cold snow,
Automatons voting,
A sign quite foreboding,
Filled with notions of change or experience,
They choose in a state delirious,
Not to pick freedom,
By stirring from slumber,
Only to have tyranny win again.

Source

"Freedom" is dead, for we have killed it, and it will remain so, for we love our tyranny.

[BroiledVictory]

Originally Posted by Gow

Humanist, Technologist tempered with Archaeo-Environmentalism, and Preservationist only when it comes to architectural pieces.

Current "Liberal" and current "American Liberal" combined with the Conservative flunkies who proclaim conservatism why espousing the virtues of the State's rule over the states lack one vital thing... integrity. Since they lack it, they tend to engage in feel good actions that suck in the populace into thinking there method is the correct one. Blind to the harm that method causes, the supposed people who serve the "proper" way fail to see the overall damage wreaked by it.

Destroying massive tracts of land, and wildlife for GREEN Energy is anything but green at heart. Not utilizing proven technology such as nuclear power because of the "Oooooh, toxic!!" mindset, while other countries have created reprocessing plants, and storage facilities that negate it, plus provide more power with less land destroyed, and steam clouds billowing from stacks that would lead to more moisture in the area's air.

Or continuing to believe the failed two party system is the ONLY way that this country can exist... even with talking about the 1994 election happening again. OR not looking at the fact, that both agreed to give money to companies that profited from collapse. Starting a war, but not committing fully to it, thus causing it to be dragged out long enough for citizenry to become weary, not to mention the war fatigue that has set in.

In it all, failing to realize that the problem is not the people but they themselves and their actions to corrode, stymie, and pork the works.

Once again, I find myself drawn to the poem I wrote in 2008...


Source

"Freedom" is dead, for we have killed it, and it will remain so, for we love our tyranny.

I wasn't saying I believe in the party system, it's a good way to get a basic idea of one's beliefs, not really much else to it. How would our current state be tyranny?

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by BroiledVictory

I wasn't saying I believe in the party system, it's a good way to get a basic idea of one's beliefs, not really much else to it. How would our current state be tyranny?

Yeah. I perceived it as a way to see what other people's ideologies are. The way the political system is set up in the U.S. is horrible in my opinion.

[Red Sky]

The way the political system is setup in US is not really the fault of the politicians, though. It's the fault of the voters, because they ignore people who don't run as a democrat or a republican.

[BroiledVictory]

I use D or R to get an idea of who someone is in the terms of politics. Now, for politicans, we shouldn't worry about whether they're conservative or liberal or a Green Party member. Do R is great for personal use, but, for politicians, it is stupid.

[Beausiph]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

The way the political system is setup in US is not really the fault of the politicians, though. It's the fault of the voters, because they ignore people who don't run as a democrat or a republican.

Its not so much the voters fault either. In the presidential race only a democrat or republican can win. because of the damn electoral collage system.
So another party has no chance.

[Red Sky]

Well, the votes from the electoral college come from the majority of voters in that state. While I don't necessarily like the electoral college, I still feel that it is the fault of the voters for not picking others to begin with. For example, in the primaries, when the electoral college isn't a factor (the "popular vote"), see how many people vote for non- republican and non-democrat candidates.

[ChurchedAtheist]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

Well, the votes from the electoral college come from the majority of voters in that state. While I don't necessarily like the electoral college, I still feel that it is the fault of the voters for not picking others to begin with. For example, in the primaries, when the electoral college isn't a factor (the "popular vote"), see how many people vote for non- republican and non-democrat candidates.

that is because a majority of people vote on party lines. They have been told they should be a (R) so they mark the R on all, or same for a (D)

[Beausiph]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

Well, the votes from the electoral college come from the majority of voters in that state. While I don't necessarily like the electoral college, I still feel that it is the fault of the voters for not picking others to begin with. For example, in the primaries, when the electoral college isn't a factor (the "popular vote"), see how many people vote for non- republican and non-democrat candidates.

even if a candidate from another party won the popular vote, the electoral collage will only go either democrat, or republican. They have no possible way of being elected in this system. its impossible.

And in the primary, you pick 1 of 2 ballots. you either get a republican one, or a democrat one. there isn't a 3rd option. so people don't get the option of voting out of the two major parties. Haven't you ever voted?