Before I get started, let me make it clear that I am not advocating for the euthanasia of those who are mentally retarded, nor am I a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. Now, on with the thread!
Does anyone think that it would be a good idea for society to enact a policy where children born with genetic disorders that will make them inable to become a productive member of society must be euthanized? I can certainly see the benefits. They will never be able to add anything to our society, they will simply be "worthless breadgobblers" (Nazi terminology).
We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control,
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone,
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
Before I get started, let me make it clear that I am not advocating for the euthanasia of those who are mentally retarded, nor am I a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. Now, on with the thread!
Does anyone think that it would be a good idea for society to enact a policy where children born with genetic disorders that will make them inable to become a productive member of society must be euthanized? I can certainly see the benefits. They will never be able to add anything to our society, they will simply be "worthless breadgobblers" (Nazi terminology).
Anyone else see the merits of this point?
I'm sorry, this made me cry. I'm not kidding.
They're still human beings. What if you were born with a disorder.
Stephen Hawking would fit under your description, though ended up very productive.
All humans are of the same value.
If you think you're getting anywhere with this, make friends with someone in special ed. This way, it'll prove it or disprove it.
It's really depressing. I once went to a holocaust mueseum and, of course, there was sad part, one that made this one girl cry, when they mentioned about how they killed retarded children.
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Why would you even bring up a subject like this, it's Sick,. How would you like it if say you got paralyzed somehow and the doctors said " You are no longer aproductive member of society and will end up costing us money so we are going to have you put down."
It is still taking an innocent humans life and should not ever even be considered.
I agree, this is pretty sick. Nazi. JK JK. but btw BV, Stephen Hawking was not born in his current state, it is a disease that starts having an effect during the 20's or 30's
You know this is pretty sick my sister would end up falling in this category. She had cancer and is now in a wheelchair and not fully together in the head. So your telling me in your perfect world they should put her down? Your just Sick man really now.
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We do it to dogs and cats all the time, why not humans? What makes us so much more worth saving than our furrier counterparts? Not that I actually condone the murdering of human beings based on their "societal productivity," but if it is such an immorality to do so to humans, why do we continue to do it with other animals?
Also, may I remind you all that you are posting in Serious Discussions, so watch your insults.
If I fell ill or I lost my ability to work or be productive, I would not want to be a worthless waste of space, (maybe just me) but if I could benefit someone else by donating organs or whatever because I was quadriplegic, I would gladly provide them. Again, doing this just for the sake of getting rid of people because they are not productive is wrong, but if they would somehow benefit society post-mortem, and they knew that... I don't see the problem.
We do it to dogs and cats all the time, why not humans? What makes us so much more worth saving than our furrier counterparts? Not that I actually condone the murdering of human beings based on their "societal productivity," but if it is such an immorality to do so to humans, why do we continue to do it with other animals?
Also, may I remind you all that you are posting in Serious Discussions, so watch your insults.
We need to stop doing it to dogs and cats, in my opinion, but thats another subject.
We do it to dogs and cats all the time, why not humans? What makes us so much more worth saving than our furrier counterparts? Not that I actually condone the murdering of human beings based on their "societal productivity," but if it is such an immorality to do so to humans, why do we continue to do it with other animals?
Also, may I remind you all that you are posting in Serious Discussions, so watch your insults.
Well when was the last time you had a conversation with a dog? My point exactly.
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Through behavior modification the majority of even the most severely impaired would be able to contribute in some beneficial way to society.
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Yeah they do.
My dog convinced me to get a Zune. (J/K.)
Don't kill people because they happened to be unlucky, sure they may not be able to contribute to society. That doesn't mean they need to just die. Complete paralysis and you could still contribute via knowledge and philosophy. If they can't talk, they can still via some speaking system
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Choice... if they are able ask, if not..... find another way.
in time, Hopefully, with technology we will be able to help the paralyzed, and help stabilize brains with certain syndromes. but that may be a bit more optimistic than most.
See, this is what I mean. Why do we as humans feel that just because another species doesn't look like us or doesn't communicate like us, they must be inferior? Why is it such a horror to even consider euthanizing an ill or disabled person, yet most people would probably shrug off euthanizing an ill or disabled dog or cat. Hell, places are euthanizing perfectly healthy dogs and cats simply because they're there. So what they're a little different. They still have the ability to live, to breathe, to feel. So why is it okay for them?
See, this is what I mean. Why do we as humans feel that just because another species doesn't look like us or doesn't communicate like us, they must be inferior? Why is it such a horror to even consider euthanizing an ill or disabled person, yet most people would probably shrug off euthanizing an ill or disabled dog or cat. Hell, places are euthanizing perfectly healthy dogs and cats simply because they're there. So what they're a little different. They still have the ability to live, to breathe, to feel. So why is it okay for them?
I'm not argueing whether or not it's right to do this to animals. I am saying that it's much worse to do it to humans. When was the last time your dog worked on your car? Installed a new motherboard? I guess you have your view and i have mine.
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Whoa guys, didn't mean for this to be a flame magnet. Just bringing up a point.
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Why would you even bring up a subject like this, it's Sick,.
I agree that if it did happen, it would be sick/disgusting/evil/wrong etc. But it's an interesting theological question that I thought deserved being asked.
Toast brings up another issue, which is that could these people be used for organ donations to healthy people?
Putis, I agree completely, but the fact is that some people just cannot be changed (IE physical defects).
If I offended anyone with this thread, I definitely apologize.
We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control,
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone,
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
Before I get started, let me make it clear that I am not advocating for the euthanasia of those who are mentally retarded, nor am I a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. Now, on with the thread!
Does anyone think that it would be a good idea for society to enact a policy where children born with genetic disorders that will make them inable to become a productive member of society must be euthanized? I can certainly see the benefits. They will never be able to add anything to our society, they will simply be "worthless breadgobblers" (Nazi terminology).
Anyone else see the merits of this point?
This is definitely difficult to think about and form an opinion.
People born with genetic disorders and that are forced to live in a nursing home or care facility for their entire life (which I'm assuming equals NOT a productive member of society to you) gave me not only a good paying job, but experience, patience, love, friendship, and they educated me. I worked as a Living Skills Counselor for elderly adults with mental and/or physical retardation that needed 24/7 care. We can learn a lot of from these people, not only scientifically/medically, but about the value of life. I believe I am a different person because of my experiences working with them.
I do not see the merits of this point.
Who would be the person deemed responsible for claiming these people have nothing to contribute to society? How would they know? Obviously no one can see the future...
Putis, I agree completely, but the fact is that some people just cannot be changed (IE physical defects).
While it's true that physical defects may be difficult to change, that does not mean that people with defects cannot be taught to be productive members of a society.
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