Euthanasia

[J2800]

Ah Putis, this harkens back to the old autism thread. I agree with you that 'autism' is a 'defect' that can be "cured" and the person can be a productive member of society.

[putis]

Originally Posted by J2800

Ah Putis, this harkens back to the old autism thread.

It does in the sense that someone who is thought to be 'unproductive' or for the most part non-functional as far as society goes, is taught to be productive. It's been done with many people with autistic repertoires, and continues to be done with all kinds of people with even severe 'mental retardation.'

If teaching people to be productive members of society is already being done with the 'mentally' impaired, it should be that much less of a challenge with those that are physically impaired.

[Darth Drunk]

Originally Posted by BroiledVictory

I'm sorry, this made me cry. I'm not kidding.

They're still human beings. What if you were born with a disorder.

Stephen Hawking would fit under your description, though ended up very productive.

If I am correct he did say "Mentally" retarded, a physically handicapped individual such as Hawkings is not a nuisance to society. I think of this issue from an economical standpoint, why would I want to keep paying taxes to go to some person who will NEVER have a career? (notice I said career not a JOB as a walmart greeter), and opening classes for people who cant even learn anything beyond a third grader I mean hell people, is there really a point to going to school for the whole 20 years of their life to learn addition? The average life expectancy of a mentally retarded individual is 20, and for the first smart ass to say "I know a person who is mentally retarded that is over 20" Awesome! I am really happy for you, but that is also why this is called an AVERAGE there is a buffer.

Originally Posted by BroiledVictory

All humans are of the same value.

Including the person who is in comatose that will never come out and will only absorb your money on that hospital bed? or a child rapist or a murderer?

Originally Posted by BroiledVictory

If you think you're getting anywhere with this, make friends with someone in special ed. This way, it'll prove it or disprove it.

Thats great! I'm glad you enjoy talking to individuals on the mental level of a child. Even this being said it is not saying much, people can make friends with a rock or an invisible person (even in older ages, a mental disorder is not a retardation so no they are not going to be euthanised) so why not make friends with a retard?

Originally Posted by BroiledVictory

It's really depressing. I once went to a holocaust mueseum and, of course, there was sad part, one that made this one girl cry, when they mentioned about how they killed retarded children.

Why do people cry over things from the past, it happened get over it, no amount of sorrow will change that. It did'nt even happen to any family she even knew, so at the worst it happened to some distant relative that she should have NO emotional attachment to.

I'm not even trying to flame here I am neutral on the whole matter, I am only stating the argument from a different perspective,

I am; however, upset with everyones constant bantering on one another for having a different opinion. Is it immoral to kill someone at birth before they have the ability to call their own path or is it immoral to make an individual live a meaningless life (Meaningless as in not being able to hold a job that will reimburse the government for what it cost to raise him/her, and winning the special Olympics.) and suck everyones pockets dry (While it may not cost the parents that much more than a normal child thats what federal assistance is for to raise it. We are in enough debt as it is in this country.)? Ethics and morality is nothing more than how we perceive things, I can twist whatever words I want and make it morally correct as long as I do not use fallacies. So seriously guys consider this with an open mind. I honestly feel as if the kids should live, I just believe that the family should not receive any assistance from the government to raise them. If they are unable to financially support this child and its condition adequately on their own then euthenise it.

BV I am not singling you out by this, you just happened to have the only meaningful post in this thread aka on topic, and with a decent response. So for this I give you a high five :p but really I respect your opinion do not take what I said personally.

[putis]

Originally Posted by Darth Drunk

If I am correct he did say "Mentally" retarded, a physically handicapped individual such as Hawkings is not a nuisance to society.

So you didn't read the original post?

Originally Posted by J2800

Does anyone think that it would be a good idea for society to enact a policy where children born with genetic disorders that will make them inable to become a productive member of society must be euthanized?

Genetic, meaning it could be either or both. Though a few posts ago J2800 specifically mentioned 'physical defects.'

Originally Posted by J2800

but the fact is that some people just cannot be changed (IE physical defects).

Originally Posted by Darth Drunk

I think of this issue from an economical standpoint, why would I want to keep paying taxes to go to some person who will NEVER have a career? (notice I said career not a JOB as a walmart greeter), and opening classes for people who cant even learn anything beyond a third grader I mean hell people, is there really a point to going to school for the whole 20 years of their life to learn addition? The average life expectancy of a mentally retarded individual is 20, and for the first smart ass to say "I know a person who is mentally retarded that is over 20" Awesome! I am really happy for you, but that is also why this is called an AVERAGE there is a buffer.

It would take much less than 20 years to train even the most mentally impaired people how to do somewhat simple tasks, that can be applied in a job setting. It's being done now, and has been for a while. It takes far less than 20 years, it'd probably be hard to find case studies where it takes more than a year or two to effectively train 'mentally impaired' people to be able to successfully have a job.

Originally Posted by Darth Drunk

Including the person who is in comatose that will never come out and will only absorb your money on that hospital bed? or a child rapist or a murderer?

Yes, they are all humans after all. The first example, I suppose could go either way. The last two can be changed. Even murderers and rapists can be(come) productive members of society.

Originally Posted by Darth Drunk

BV I am not singling you out by this, you just happened to have the only meaningful post in this thread aka on topic, and with a decent response.

Nope. His reply(ies) were just some of the more easily refuted because they are all emotional statements more than discussion of the practicality of the idea in the original post.

[BroiledVictory]

@Putis
Well, they were mostly pointing out ethics. Sure, I believe in the death penalty.
@Darth Drunk
Not all special ed kids are necessarily "child like" you'd be amazed. I can see the practicality of the whole situation, but sometimes it's practical to kill your friends because they distract you. IMO, ethics is something that shouldn't always override practicality, but, simply put, I can't figure out a conscious person who would not somehow be able to/taught to be a productive member.

[J2800]

Darth Drunk, I completely agree with your post.

We pay taxes that go to the schools, and then the schools waste money by setting up special classes for the 'different' kids.

Nice