I will state disapproval of using the tune of Glory, Glory, Hallelujah for something else due to the history behind the song.
It's something called indoctrination. Some countries that do this.
Nazi Germany(a lot)
America(a lot)
China
....And many other countries.
Honestly, all parents do indoctrination to a point.
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That is stupid. regardless of you opinions on obama, indoctrination is wrong.
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Ah, but is the mind so impressionable that is all one sees at first glance, posturing that tries to incite more anti-Obama sentiments? So this would have been acceptable if the shoe was on the other foot, and message conveyed was contrary to one's own?
Keep in mind, I carefully worded the title as a double entendre.
EDIT: Some clarifying information...
Filmed at the B. Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, NJ and uploaded on June 19, 2009.
From a CBS blog, so no one derides it as being from "Faux News".
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Update, 3:50 p.m. ET: Fox is reporting that Christopher M. Manno, the superintendent of Burlington Township School District, issued a statement to parents saying the students were singing the song "to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country" in conjunction with February's Black History Month.
He also wrote that the recording and distribution of the songs was not authorized by the district.
It is one school out of many thousands. This is typical anti-Obama fearmongering.
What the hell? How is it fearmongering?
You don't even address the point, which is that second graders are being taught to sing songs in praise of a leader. Sounds familiar... *cough* Chairman Mao *cough* Stalin *cough* Hitler *cough*.
We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control,
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone,
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
It is one school out of many thousands. This is typical anti-Obama fearmongering.
Only a few Americans are tortured for being Christian. Does that make it right and shouldn't worry about it. THere's not a very high chance you'll get murdered. Does that make it so we shouldn't worry about it?
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You don't even address the point, which is that second graders are being taught to sing songs in praise of a leader. Sounds familiar... *cough* Chairman Mao *cough* Stalin *cough* Hitler *cough*.
Pointing out something unimportant and relatively harmless in a way that it makes it look like it is something horrible is fearmongering. It is easy for ignorant people to see the video and think "Oh noes! Communism! The kids are being brainwashed!". Sounds familiar...
Again, this was at one school, in one class. It was not even approved by the school district. If it was happening regularily to many kids, that would be different.
At my high school in South Carolina, I was forced to memorize the Pledge of Allegiance and write and recite it many times, even though I am a Canadian citizen. Did I make a big deal out of it? No, I did not. Do you know why? It is because it is harmless, just like having some kids appreciate your President briefly.
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Only a few Americans are tortured for being Christian. Does that make it right and shouldn't worry about it. THere's not a very high chance you'll get murdered. Does that make it so we shouldn't worry about it?
That does not make it right, but why should people worry about that when there are worse things that are happening that they are completely ignoring?
Also, how does that even remotely equate to encouraging some kids to be grateful for your President's achievements?
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That does not make it right, but why should people worry about that when there are worse things that are happening that they are completely ignoring?
Also, how does that even remotely equate to encouraging some kids to be grateful for your President's achievements?
What I'm getting at is, it shouldn't be ignored just because it is about the only school doing it. I agree, that it's not worth worrying about as it could be much much more severe but the way you sounded was (paraphrased) "IDC, it's not happening to a majority."
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What I'm getting at is, it shouldn't be ignored just because it is about the only school doing it. I agree, that it's not worth worrying about as it could be much much more severe but the way you sounded was (paraphrased) "IDC, it's not happening to a majority."
It was not just because it is happening to only a few people, but also that it is not something that is particularily harmful. It is not like the kids were being shocked until they swore loyalty to Obama. It was just a song. I had to sing songs about how "great" America is, and I survived without any permanent damage.
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So children don't sing songs in Canada about Canada? Sounds like it was terribly disconcerting to have to sing songs about United States while in the United States public school system. Sure people never had to sing songs about the United Kingdom while in the United Kingdom school system.
Alas, we move further away from the point of it all...
Well I had to sing O Canada before every assembly in school. I think a song About Obama is ok if as long as they are not forced to praise him. (besides it would be the teachers fault anyways not Obama.)
On a side note. In Elementary school for me all the students were forced to sing religious songs.
On a side note. In Elementary school for me all the students were forced to sing religious songs.
Yeah. same here. a concert of God Bless America, gloria in excelsis deo and others.
and, yes, seems indoctrinating, but it in no way reflects on obama, just that the teacher is overstepping bounds.
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
So children don't sing songs in Canada about Canada? Sounds like it was terribly disconcerting to have to sing songs about United States while in the United States public school system. Sure people never had to sing songs about the United Kingdom while in the United Kingdom school system.
Alas, we move further away from the point of it all...
It sounds like you simply did not comprehend my post. Did I say that it was a horrible experience?
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I had to sing songs about how "great" America is, and I survived without any permanent damage.
I said that to point out that I had to sing songs about America and it did not harm me, so why should kids be harmed by singing songs about Obama?
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It sounds like you simply did not comprehend my post. Did I say that it was a horrible experience?
I said that to point out that I had to sing songs about America and it did not harm me, so why should kids be harmed by singing songs about Obama?
So Netrix, part of what you've been saying is that this isn't anything major.
I was mostly referring to indoctrination itself, not what they were doing.
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Netrix, what has he achieved? Socializing GM? Betraying the Polish on missile defense? Oh, he's a great Dear Leader all right.
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Are you seriously comparing Dictators to our president?
That is a drastic comparison to say the least.
They are kids so what! Have you kept all of the opinions you formed as a child?
I'm assuming not.
If you had even read my post, you would realize I am comparing the hero worship in schools that they are both receiving. Both Barack Obama and Hitler are having songs sung about them in a school. I'm just sayin'...
And of course I haven't kept all opinions formed as a child, but the fact that young children are being indoctrinated like this is a bit disturbing.
We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control,
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone,
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
So Netrix, part of what you've been saying is that this isn't anything major.
I was mostly referring to indoctrination itself, not what they were doing.
That is correct. There are a lot people that are making a huge deal out of this one instance where one teacher decided to have kids in one class at one school sing a song about Obama. Some even imply that this was an attempt to brainwash the kids. It was just a Black History Month activity, not indoctrination.
Most people are too ignorant to know that they are being indoctrined, so it will keep happening. Also, it is usually pretty subtle, so there is reasonable doubt in case anyone tries to expose it. I was in the American school system for 8 years and the indoctrination was easy for me to notice. Before anyone gets overly defensive... I am sure it happens in most other countries as well, but that is besides the point.
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Netrix, what has he achieved? Socializing GM? Betraying the Polish on missile defense? Oh, he's a great Dear Leader all right.
If you had even read my post, you would realize I am comparing the hero worship in schools that they are both receiving. Both Barack Obama and Hitler are having songs sung about them in a school. I'm just sayin'...
And of course I haven't kept all opinions formed as a child, but the fact that young children are being indoctrinated like this is a bit disturbing.
All you would do is turn the situation around and make it seem like a bad thing (just like the GM and missile defense situations), so I am not even going to bother. Do you know why he is not able to get much accomplished? The Republicans try to stop just about anything he tries to do. It is like telling a mechanic to repair your car while not letting him get near it.
Where is the "hero worship" for Obama? Again, having one song being sung by some kids in one class in one school is not indoctrination.
You would have to be incredibly naive to think that kids are not already being indoctrined in school.
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It sounds like you simply did not comprehend my post. Did I say that it was a horrible experience?
Comprehension was at a 100% level, just some random questioning that actually brought out answers from other parties, unless thinking it was an interrogation of derogatory lineage...
Anywise...
Songs about countries are aright, but songs focused on specific leaders are another matter unless it is being equated as being the same.
Next post from me will establish the reasoning behind this thread's creation.
Political Influence upon the Impressionable
