[Alternate History]What if the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?
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In all likelihood, most of the world would be speaking German right now
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In all likelihood, most of the world would be speaking German right now
What makes you think that?
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America did not single handedly defeat Germany, but had we not gotten involved, the allies almost certainly would have lost the war. The Germans could've focused their efforts in certain areas, rather than spreading out all over like they had to as a result of American involvement. By the time America would have felt threatened enough to go to war, the other allies would have been severely weakened, with German, Italian, and Japanese forces dominating the war.
America did not single handedly defeat Germany, but had we not gotten involved, the allies almost certainly would have lost the war. The Germans could've focused their efforts in certain areas, rather than spreading out all over like they had to as a result of American involvement. By the time America would have felt threatened enough to go to war, the other allies would have been severely weakened, with German, Italian, and Japanese forces dominating the war.
yet again RS says exactly what I'm thinking. Also, America was one of Hitler's last priorities. Then America got involved. I think Hitler would have been assassinated. All the close calls he had.
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America did not single handedly defeat Germany, but had we not gotten involved, the allies almost certainly would have lost the war. The Germans could've focused their efforts in certain areas, rather than spreading out all over like they had to as a result of American involvement. By the time America would have felt threatened enough to go to war, the other allies would have been severely weakened, with German, Italian, and Japanese forces dominating the war.
The Allies. My point was that America did not defeat Germany. The Allies defeated Germany. I agree that America helped in the fight against Germany, but it was a team effort. What happened to there is no "I" in "team"? It is insulting when people think that America joined in and saved everyone from Germany, so everyone else should be eternally grateful to America.
I am not saying anyone here thinks like that, but there are plenty of people that do.
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The Allies. My point was that America did not defeat Germany. The Allies defeated Germany. I agree that America helped in the fight against Germany, but it was a team effort. What happened to there is no "I" in "team"? It is insulting when people think that America joined in and saved everyone from Germany, so everyone else should be eternally grateful to America.
I am not saying anyone here thinks like that, but there are plenty of people that do.
America helped out alright. In my opinion, I don't think WWII was won by the Allies easily. I think that if Britan wasn't involved or Canada or the French, etc. etc. I don't think we would have won, or with as few deaths.
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British Empire alone could not prevail in a war of two fronts, Europe and Asia, against Germany and Japan.
How involved was Canada prior to American involvement?
What really helped with American Involvement is that it allowed the odd tag team of Montgomery and Patton to drive Rommel from Africa, and later the success in Corsica, followed up by Italy.
Then you had the D-Day invasion on the beaches of Normandy, where with a combined effort of British, Canadian, and American forces, in airborne, and beach assault, were able to establish a beachhead for the land invasion.
Also, a small thanks to the bumbling efforts of German command, which got confused by the airborne drop mishap.
Obviously, in the East of Europe, the Red Army's ramped up might of new tanks, Mosin Nagants, PPshs, and more helped to turn their Army into a Red Tide that swept across the German lines, which were dwindling because forces were getting pulled to stop the advance of Patton.
In the Asian theater, in the west it was British, Indian, American forces with the help of the Chinese forces, drove the Japanese back. In the east, American, Australian forces drove the Japanese back.
If America had gone alone against the two powers it probably would not have faired well due to the Industrial regions of the U.S. would be under attack, and all that armor, planes, weapons that got made during the War would not have been.
It was the untouched Industrial might of the United States that played a huge part in winning the war. As being untouched it was capable of making weapons for U.S. and British / Canadian forces.
British Empire alone could not prevail in a war of two fronts, Europe and Asia, against Germany and Japan.
How involved was Canada prior to American involvement?
What really helped with American Involvement is that it allowed the odd tag team of Montgomery and Patton to drive Rommel from Africa, and later the success in Corsica, followed up by Italy.
Then you had the D-Day invasion on the beaches of Normandy, where with a combined effort of British, Canadian, and American forces, in airborne, and beach assault, were able to establish a beachhead for the land invasion.
Also, a small thanks to the bumbling efforts of German command, which got confused by the airborne drop mishap.
Obviously, in the East of Europe, the Red Army's ramped up might of new tanks, Mosin Nagants, PPshs, and more helped to turn their Army into a Red Tide that swept across the German lines, which were dwindling because forces were getting pulled to stop the advance of Patton.
In the Asian theater, in the west it was British, Indian, American forces with the help of the Chinese forces, drove the Japanese back. In the east, American, Australian forces drove the Japanese back.
If America had gone alone against the two powers it probably would not have faired well due to the Industrial regions of the U.S. would be under attack, and all that armor, planes, weapons that got made during the War would not have been.
It was the untouched Industrial might of the United States that played a huge part in winning the war. As being untouched it was capable of making weapons for U.S. and British / Canadian forces.
True, America didn't get attacked on the homeland, just Pearl Harbor unlike many other countries.
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America was actually attacked during the war, just not that much. There's one incident that happened down in the Gulf of Mexico where a German u boat was to destroy some US ship. The general on board actually maneuvered his u boat between the vessel and the shore, so that he would not hit the shore and not kill a ton of innocent people. On shore was an amusement park or something. (I heard this on the history channel on some show -- they have tons of WWII shows though..). The Germans also had a planned offensive against the US where they were going to attack us with a fleet of uboats, but if I'm not mistaken, they were called back before they could deliver their payload because they were needed else where.
America was actually attacked during the war, just not that much. There's one incident that happened down in the Gulf of Mexico where a German u boat was to destroy some US ship. The general on board actually maneuvered his u boat between the vessel and the shore, so that he would not hit the shore and not kill a ton of innocent people. On shore was an amusement park or something. (I heard this on the history channel on some show -- they have tons of WWII shows though..). The Germans also had a planned offensive against the US where they were going to attack us with a fleet of uboats, but if I'm not mistaken, they were called back before they could deliver their payload because they were needed else where.
which might either prove or disprove some of the things I just said (I'm in the process of reading it now)
I didn't say America never got attacked. I was referring to the homeland. I wouldn't really consider the shellings much of an attack. Don't forget, that piece of info I got from an Eyewitness book.
Also, I'm loving this conversation. Though RS and Gow out buffed me.
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[Alternate History]What if the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?
