I hate how this bill for the energy tax passed all because of this one thing that doesn't exist..... Global Warming! Now we are definitely repeating history, with the old Regime of the European History. Obama is making a change in our country, the change is repeating history! if anybody has anything to say about this say it here and say it proud.
How is reducing pollution a bad thing? I know they are saying that it will cost people some money, but both sides do not agree on the amount that it would cost. It is premature to make assumptions and get angry about it. We will see the impact it has in the future.
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Well, that's simply retarded. Cutting down on pollution isn't a bad thing, but there's so many ways that the government could do it without punishing us. They could force companies to cut down on CO2 omissions and force car dealerships to form other forms of fuel. That way, it's corporations that are suffering, not the individuals. I think it's just a way for them to make money, seeing as Obama wants all these new gov't programs. The main reason I dislike democrats is that they are for large governments, which I can't stand.
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Well, that's simply retarded. Cutting down on pollution isn't a bad thing, but there's so many ways that the government could do it without punishing us. They could force companies to cut down on CO2 omissions and force car dealerships to form other forms of fuel. That way, it's corporations that are suffering, not the individuals. I think it's just a way for them to make money, seeing as Obama wants all these new gov't programs. The main reason I dislike democrats is that they are for large governments, which I can't stand.
Well, that's simply retarded. Cutting down on pollution isn't a bad thing, but there's so many ways that the government could do it without punishing us. They could force companies to cut down on CO2 omissions and force car dealerships to form other forms of fuel. That way, it's corporations that are suffering, not the individuals. I think it's just a way for them to make money, seeing as Obama wants all these new gov't programs. The main reason I dislike democrats is that they are for large governments, which I can't stand.
It seems like you think they are taxing individuals that use energy as a way of trying to make them use less energy. That is certainly not the case.
They are requiring companies to reduce CO2 and green house gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 and by about 80 percent by mid-century. Conservative estimates predict that the impact it will have on the average American is about the price of a postage stamp per day.
Do you really think that companies will be able to transition to cleaner energy sources without any increase in cost for citizens?
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Well, that's simply retarded. Cutting down on pollution isn't a bad thing, but there's so many ways that the government could do it without punishing us. They could force companies to cut down on CO2 omissions and force car dealerships to form other forms of fuel. That way, it's corporations that are suffering, not the individuals. I think it's just a way for them to make money, seeing as Obama wants all these new gov't programs. The main reason I dislike democrats is that they are for large governments, which I can't stand.
And Republicans don't want to increase the power of the government? Patriot Act, anti-choice laws?
The Republican Government knows what books I take out of the library, for crying out loud. How is that small government? The government can detain anyone it wants to and not give a reason and not offer any of the civil rights that date back to the Magna Carta. The Republicans want to refuse marriage rights to any couple they think is "eww" and refuse women's right to have medical operations because of their religious beliefs?
Seriously, anytime I hear people accusing democrats of being pro-big government I know they're just fox news dumbasses. The only ones who can say that are anarchists and libertarians (pratically same thing).
Democrats are just more honest about taxing policy. Look at California's Republican governer's proposition to hike taxes just last May. People are amazing when it comes to tax, we expect police to be everywhere at once, we expect an excellent public education, we expect roads not to have potholes, yet we get mad when we are asked to pay for it.
I have no clue what you mean by " Regime of the European History." I don't remember any country failing because the people put in too much focus on keeping the environment safe. Closest I can think of is Pompei
OK, let's assume Global Warming occurs simply due to natural sun cycles and stuff. We continue to put in effort to get off Fossil Fuels and get cleaner air, taxes go up like a nickel a day, and we start using alternative energy. In the process, oil companies become small business, replaced by companies that produce alternative energy which has a much lower cost of entry (encouraging competition in a free market) fueling the economy. The energy industry is no longer controlled by the middle east, allowing democratic nations to form as the oil barons no longer have US and European support, our government becomes less corrupt as historically, 50% of national corruption has been due to the oil industry (much more nowadays), we stop running the risk of depleting our oil supply, and we decrease the risk of dumping oil into the ocean and ruining ecosystems. Energy prices drop, (if you don't get why take an economics 101 class-free market vs monopoly). Sounds horrible.
I don't give a **** if Global Warming is real, it's an impetus to develop better forms of energy, and that's good. There will be growing pains, but if we don't do the switch, it'll be much worse in a generation or two.
Hey! You get me all wrong! I'm not saying anything good about republicans, believe me! I'm a staunch moderate (if that's at all possible) I think both democrats and republicans are dumbasses, but each have their good sides. And Nurta, your 2nd to last paragraph is entirely correct. And Netrix, what you stated in your first sentence was exactly what I though. Seeing as I had no documentation, I only went by what was said right before my post.
People are amazing when it comes to tax, we expect police to be everywhere at once, we expect an excellent public education, we expect roads not to have potholes, yet we get mad when we are asked to pay for it.
I don't give a **** if Global Warming is real, it's an impetus to develop better forms of energy, and that's good. There will be growing pains, but if we don't do the switch, it'll be much worse in a generation or two.
Thank you for saying that.
Here in Canada, we have more taxes, but we are helped out a lot more than people in the United States, especially in regards to education. I went to one of the top 1% high schools in the U.S. and the hardest classes there barely challenged me at all. It was quite pathetic. In addition, the Canadian government loans me all of the money I need to go to university. The same goes with any Canadian whose family does not have a large income.
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And Netrix, what you stated in your first sentence was exactly what I though. Seeing as I had no documentation, I only went by what was said right before my post.
Yeah, the bill was not described in its entirety.
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Canada's a bit different than America. It's broken into different territories, each with their own governments. Also, there's a much smaller population. In America, you have all kinds of different people and the gov't has to do the best to please all of them. Not everyone complains about taxes. Others do. There's just too many people to make a generalization like that.
Canada's a bit different than America. It's broken into different territories, each with their own governments. Also, there's a much smaller population. In America, you have all kinds of different people and the gov't has to do the best to please all of them. Not everyone complains about taxes. Others do. There's just too many people to make a generalization like that.
I have lived half of my life in Canada and half of my life in the U.S. They are not as different as Americans like to think. Canada has provinces, and a couple territiories, just like the U.S. has states and territories. The provincial goverments are just like state governments. There are less people, but that also mean that there is less taxes that the government receives. This is besides the point, though.
My point related to this thread is that if people want change for the better, they should be willing to pay a bit for it. Almost all of the Republicans in the House were against it and their only argument that I could see was that it would cost the average American some money.
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I find that last part funny simply because Republicans are normally looking out for the rich and the corporations, not the middle class individual and lower.
I find that last part funny simply because Republicans are normally looking out for the rich and the corporations, not the middle class individual and lower.
I know, but they want to seem sympathetic because they know their approval rating is horrible. They are attempting to advantage of the recession by trying to win over public opinion, appearing like they care about the public.
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I find that last part funny simply because Republicans are normally looking out for the rich and the corporations, not the middle class individual and lower.
I find your entire statement funny, as you obviously don't live in Seattle. Here, all the bible-thumping Conservative-viewed families drive minivans and make ends meet; while the ecologically-minded, recycling, granola-crunching, tree-hugging liberals frown upon our mindless waste of resources; as we reproduce beyond 2 children and don't drive Priuses.
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I think that this thread started with a biased, close-minded, change-fearing, and not well thought out opinion.
Here is where I stand-
I trust the president, yet I'm not sure all of his actions have the constitution in mind, I am neither for or against abortion and gay marriage, yet I have some republican values. I hate the welfare system, it hurts more than it helps, since welfare has been instituted it has hurt the african american family values, in 200 62% of african american families were not led by a mother and father figure, I want welfare to only go to the disabled and elderly, unless someone is thoroughly processed into the welfare system, yet that is not change Obama is looking for.
It upsets me that politicians have found "problems" like the environment to cover our actual problems like welfare. Sure there is good to be found in taxing electricity, but right now i see the economy and american family values as a bigger problems
And for clarification, no i don't think gays are a problem when it comes to family values, from the gays I have met they enjoy their families more than I enjoy mine
Well, that's simply retarded. Cutting down on pollution isn't a bad thing, but there's so many ways that the government could do it without punishing us. They could force companies to cut down on CO2 omissions and force car dealerships to form other forms of fuel. That way, it's corporations that are suffering, not the individuals. I think it's just a way for them to make money, seeing as Obama wants all these new gov't programs. The main reason I dislike democrats is that they are for large governments, which I can't stand.
the who problem with telling companies to cut down here is that they'll just move stuff to china. and we're a capitalist nation, we don't tell our companies what to do, they tell us what to do.
and if the government wants money then they should start collecting on old war debts dating back as far as WWI. seriously Britain stills owes us a couple trillion because of loaned support money from the last couple wars. we can also us that money to pay back our current war debt and be squared of in that regard. we'll still be in debt, but not half as bad as we already are, we can pay back china for all the money they loaned us some 20-30 years ago. that and they already own most of U.S.'s money anyway, because people ship jobs over there and we buy the cheap products from them.
and the government could hold a fricken bake sale. seriously do something like the girl scouts or local schools do to fund their programs. it wouldn't hurt anyone and the could get some money to boot.
Congratulations America you're offically screwed
