Cloning

Janine · 08-02-2006, 02:22 PM

You all know that somethings developed in the earth, that thing is cloning. I'd like to raise up some attention on this subject.

Have you people heard of the Dolly story?

She is probably the most famous sheep in the world, because she isn't any normal sheep. Dolly is a clone. She began life as a single cell taken from her mother. The cell's nucleus was transferred to an egg from which the DNA had been removed, cultured and then implanted into the womb of a surrogate sheep.

Dolly is dead already. She didn't live for very a long time but when you just think about.. What did that sheep do to deserve all that pain? It's all just because of cloning and while I was reading the new papers, some people are thinking to develop things that helps 'em to clone the human.

I think that is just pointless, what they will gain if they clone the people.. They will just die like Dolly and then why would man-kind wanna do that? God, the only one who creates us so why should human create human? They did before clone a human but that didn't work. What do you think people

lpxxfaintxx · 08-02-2006, 03:21 PM

To be completely honest, I think cloning human is wrong. However, cloning animals is understandable--if it is to research medical studies to help the human race survive.

Ideal Maxima · 08-02-2006, 03:51 PM

Cloning is wrong. <- Period

There shouldn't be an arguement. God created us to live our lives and bring future generations into the world by the way he intended. HE DID NOT WANT US TO TAKE HIS JOB BY CREATING HUMANS/ANIMALS FROM SCRATCH.

putis · 08-04-2006, 06:56 AM

Cloning could be very helpful to us (humans). In the very least we should not fall behind in research/technology in the world community just because it is 'morally wrong.'

Skyline_R34 · 08-04-2006, 08:49 AM

This topic is religion vs. science. it's always been this way, it always will be this way. There's no solution to it, but sooner or later we are going to end up cloning a human and the religionists will start criticizing.

Otaku · 08-04-2006, 05:19 PM

And science > religion.

putis · 08-04-2006, 05:21 PM

Correct.

han_han · 08-05-2006, 05:44 PM

Science is much greater than religion. Anyway, I am all for cloning, whatever type they can make functional is good to me. Right now, the only cloning I am concerned with supporting is cloning for the harvest of embryonic stem cells. As you all know, the removal of the CDX2 gene prevents all clones from developing beyond their embryonic stages, so why the

hasn't Bush boosted funding?

Janine · 09-27-2006, 11:19 PM

Yes..
We should really avoid Cloning in this world..
think of it..

putis · 09-28-2006, 04:40 AM

If the whole world would not clone, that'd be fine, but since other countries have already started to, we have an obligation as a superpower (that would like to remain a superpower) to also get into it, and be at the top of the industry.

Janine · 09-28-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by putis616

If the whole world would not clone, that'd be fine, but since other countries have already started to, we have an obligation as a superpower (that would like to remain a superpower) to also get into it, and be at the top of the industry.

Yes.
Maybe some clones may abuse their powers...

cangryman · 01-22-2007, 04:54 PM

I think that God gave us a good brain to discover new things from the wheel to the clone, I don't mind cloning, I think that if God didn't want us to do this He will just kept us as monkeys ... ???

David · 03-06-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ideal Maxima

Cloning is wrong. <- Period

There shouldn't be an arguement. God created us to live our lives and bring future generations into the world by the way he intended. HE DID NOT WANT US TO TAKE HIS JOB BY CREATING HUMANS/ANIMALS FROM SCRATCH.

I'm pretty sure most pasters and preists will tell you that God intended us to have free will and to only follow a few rules... and if God didn't want it bad enough he would surely make us stop.

IOIOIO · 03-07-2007, 01:59 PM

Anyone saw the island with <sigh>Scarlett Johansson </sigh>?
Well, they made human clones for organs replacement, I think that's where we are heading =/.
Just like you wouldn't want to kill your pet rabbit to eat, it'd be the same to kill someone who looks just like you.
Perhaps If they could just make food easier than plant and harvest, or made kidneys for anyone under 20, you know, those who haven't lived, but I insist, just the kidney, that would be awesome.

dead jim · 03-08-2007, 04:40 PM

we're never going to clone people to use their organs. it's far too inefficient. we're working on cloning specific organs, and that's what we'll do. growing humans is ridiculously expensive, would take far too long, and would be widely criticized. why bother? cloning people for organs is just silly, and it won't happen.

Surrido · 07-04-2007, 11:28 PM

i guess we will see organs cloned. which is a good thing.

you can do this "yeah but you can use it for XYZ..." with everything.

i can put butter on a bread with a knife and I can cut someones throat. I can use atomic energy to generate power and i can vaporize a city with it. ...
the list goes on forever.

whats wrong with cloning? the growth and raise of a clone would be like any other child with the only difference that the DNA allready had been there before (almost, because 100% isnt possible)

if you want a single eg twin is more or less a clone only that the dna was split at the beginning of the growth process. making a clone does exactly the same, only that you use different cells for it.

there are many arguments against cloning which are mostly religious or moral of nature. the arguments for cloning are mostly medical so i guess i would go for medical...

sonicgeek · 07-22-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpxxfaintxx

To be completely honest, I think cloning human is wrong. However, cloning animals is understandable--if it is to research medical studies to help the human race survive.

I agree. Cloning humans makes them replaceable, so it destroys the value and sanctity of human life.

bald_gye · 08-13-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicgeek

I agree. Cloning humans makes them replaceable, so it destroys the value and sanctity of human life.

thats the most retarded reason ive heard against cloning.

the facts are that its probaly already happening in research facitlites arround the world. i dont see anything wrong with cloning to produce organ's as long as those clones arnt allowed to have a life (and be brain dead).

but the problem with cloning is the gene pool. if we create clones, and then have them in our socieity, it reduces the variation in the gene pool, which in time could kill us all off.

people say its ok for animals, but not humans. the only diffrence is we understand causality. not really reason enuf in my book to allow cloning of humans, and not animals

David · 08-13-2007, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bald_gye

thats the most retarded reason ive heard against cloning.

the facts are that its probaly already happening in research facitlites arround the world. i dont see anything wrong with cloning to produce organ's as long as those clones arnt allowed to have a life (and be brain dead).

but the problem with cloning is the gene pool. if we create clones, and then have them in our socieity, it reduces the variation in the gene pool, which in time could kill us all off.

people say its ok for animals, but not humans. the only diffrence is we understand causality. not really reason enuf in my book to allow cloning of humans, and not animals

cloning just for human organs will not cause our gene pool to be affected. It's only giving someone a new organ.

bald_gye · 08-13-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gold.n.god

cloning just for human organs will not cause our gene pool to be affected. It's only giving someone a new organ.

i know. thats what i said

08-02-2006, 02:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Janine Zuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 73 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Cloning You all know that somethings developed in the earth, that thing is cloning. I'd like to raise up some attention on this subject. Have you people heard of the Dolly story? She is probably the most famous sheep in the world, because she isn't any normal sheep. Dolly is a clone. She began life as a single cell taken from her mother. The cell's nucleus was transferred to an egg from which the DNA had been removed, cultured and then implanted into the womb of a surrogate sheep. Dolly is dead already. She didn't live for very a long time but when you just think about.. What did that sheep do to deserve all that pain? It's all just because of cloning and while I was reading the new papers, some people are thinking to develop things that helps 'em to clone the human. I think that is just pointless, what they will gain if they clone the people.. They will just die like Dolly and then why would man-kind wanna do that? God, the only one who creates us so why should human create human? They did before clone a human but that didn't work. What do you think people

08-02-2006, 03:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
lpxxfaintxx Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,821 Reputation: 209 $zB: 2044 Donate	RE: Cloning To be completely honest, I think cloning human is wrong. However, cloning animals is understandable--if it is to research medical studies to help the human race survive. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Ideal Maxima Zewbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	RE: Cloning Cloning is wrong. <- Period There shouldn't be an arguement. God created us to live our lives and bring future generations into the world by the way he intended. HE DID NOT WANT US TO TAKE HIS JOB BY CREATING HUMANS/ANIMALS FROM SCRATCH.

08-04-2006, 06:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
putis Stronger than dirt Administrator Zune Priest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sexyland Posts: 7,171 Reputation: 183 $zB: 3251 Donate	RE: Cloning Cloning could be very helpful to us (humans). In the very least we should not fall behind in research/technology in the world community just because it is 'morally wrong.' __________________ The aim of psychoanalysis is to relieve people of their neurotic unhappiness so that they can be normally unhappy. -Sigmund Freud

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Skyline_R34 Zewbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	RE: Cloning This topic is religion vs. science. it's always been this way, it always will be this way. There's no solution to it, but sooner or later we are going to end up cloning a human and the religionists will start criticizing.

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08-04-2006, 05:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Otaku Zuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 68 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	RE: Cloning And science > religion. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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putis Stronger than dirt Administrator Zune Priest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sexyland Posts: 7,171 Reputation: 183 $zB: 3251 Donate	RE: Cloning Correct. __________________ The aim of psychoanalysis is to relieve people of their neurotic unhappiness so that they can be normally unhappy. -Sigmund Freud

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han_han Zewbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	RE: Cloning Science is much greater than religion. Anyway, I am all for cloning, whatever type they can make functional is good to me. Right now, the only cloning I am concerned with supporting is cloning for the harvest of embryonic stem cells. As you all know, the removal of the CDX2 gene prevents all clones from developing beyond their embryonic stages, so why the hasn't Bush boosted funding?

09-27-2006, 11:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Janine Zuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 73 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	RE: Cloning Yes.. We should really avoid Cloning in this world.. think of it..

09-28-2006, 04:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
putis Stronger than dirt Administrator Zune Priest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sexyland Posts: 7,171 Reputation: 183 $zB: 3251 Donate	RE: Cloning If the whole world would not clone, that'd be fine, but since other countries have already started to, we have an obligation as a superpower (that would like to remain a superpower) to also get into it, and be at the top of the industry. __________________ The aim of psychoanalysis is to relieve people of their neurotic unhappiness so that they can be normally unhappy. -Sigmund Freud

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cangryman Zewbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Re: Cloning I think that God gave us a good brain to discover new things from the wheel to the clone, I don't mind cloning, I think that if God didn't want us to do this He will just kept us as monkeys ... ???

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IOIOIO Jr. Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 38 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	Anyone saw the island with <sigh>Scarlett Johansson </sigh>? Well, they made human clones for organs replacement, I think that's where we are heading =/. Just like you wouldn't want to kill your pet rabbit to eat, it'd be the same to kill someone who looks just like you. Perhaps If they could just make food easier than plant and harvest, or made kidneys for anyone under 20, you know, those who haven't lived, but I insist, just the kidney, that would be awesome. __________________ Brown Zune with 13 concert videos and 7 films, over a thousand songs @ 192 vbr, all along some nice Shure e2c's

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dead jim Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NOLA Posts: 183 Reputation: 23 $zB: 0 Donate	we're never going to clone people to use their organs. it's far too inefficient. we're working on cloning specific organs, and that's what we'll do. growing humans is ridiculously expensive, would take far too long, and would be widely criticized. why bother? cloning people for organs is just silly, and it won't happen. __________________ "nitimur in vetitum" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Surrido Squirt Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: near Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 26 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	i guess we will see organs cloned. which is a good thing. you can do this "yeah but you can use it for XYZ..." with everything. i can put butter on a bread with a knife and I can cut someones throat. I can use atomic energy to generate power and i can vaporize a city with it. ... the list goes on forever. whats wrong with cloning? the growth and raise of a clone would be like any other child with the only difference that the DNA allready had been there before (almost, because 100% isnt possible) if you want a single eg twin is more or less a clone only that the dna was split at the beginning of the growth process. making a clone does exactly the same, only that you use different cells for it. there are many arguments against cloning which are mostly religious or moral of nature. the arguments for cloning are mostly medical so i guess i would go for medical...

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