Cloning

[David]

ok then we agree.

either way.. I don't see anything wrong with cloning certain organs... but cloning a living human and having them be living... like in that one ****ty movie... is wrong.

[bald_gye]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

ok then we agree.

either way.. I don't see anything wrong with cloning certain organs... but cloning a living human and having them be living... like in that one ****ty movie... is wrong.

hmmm i dont c it as wrong, just practicaly a bad idea. good as a one off to prove that we can. other than that there is little reason to

[ninja]

I'm going to agree with using cloning for replacement organs, as well as there's the ability to use the eyes, bones and their components as well.

I saw that someone brought up the movie called "The Island" which was based on an old 70's film called "Logan's Run" This goes to show that the whole concept started long ago, and is still here to stay. It's going to happen, and there's not much that anyone can do about it. Everyone has free will, and if they want to make some sort of science experiment, then they will. They can't even control what's going on in the country right now.

Another flick about cloning is "The 6th Day" it has your favorite (TERMINATOR) Arnold Schwarzenegger find out that he's been cloned. The movie gets into the use of clones to actually help people survive by cloning fish, and they start to bring up the thought of cloning humans for replacement organs. There's protesters outside of the clinic where all the magic happens. I'll see if I can get a copy of it and have it for dl's in the forum db.

[revolver183]

"I believe in SCIENCE!"

[Mrtacobell]

Cloning humans is a bad idea honestly...what would people think that they weren't created the natural way? Who knows what can happen. But what I think is creating organs for those people who need it..is not a bad idea. It can actually help lives. Also, i dont see the purpose of cloning human beings.

[revolver183]

can we just create clones without brains for organ harvesting or something?

[Nurta]

Originally Posted by revolver183

can we just create clones without brains for organ harvesting or something?

that still brings up the idea of the soul, I doubt anyone who is against abortion wouldn't be against that.

[revolver183]

so if we made brain dead clones of everyone when they were first born people would be freaked because of the idea of soul? ...I'm ignoring the costs that would come with cloning everyone so that they would have spare organs and body parts.

[bald_gye]

Originally Posted by Mrtacobell

Cloning humans is a bad idea honestly...what would people think that they weren't created the natural way? Who knows what can happen. But what I think is creating organs for those people who need it..is not a bad idea. It can actually help lives. Also, i dont see the purpose of cloning human beings.

IVF isnt natural


and the idea of a 'soul' is hilarious as ur quantifying something u cant prove exists, and is merly what some people bleive. not really making it a vaild argument against

[David]

Originally Posted by bald_gye

IVF isnt natural


and the idea of a 'soul' is hilarious as ur quantifying something u cant prove exists, and is merly what some people bleive. not really making it a vaild argument against

umm... I don't think he said anything about souls in that quote gye...

[psychoticpengwn]

Theres alot of things that you cant prove exist but people still belive in it the idea of cloning will always be Science VS Religion. I belive in god but cloning can help the human race in many ways to cure cancer oragan transplants those kinds of things.

[bald_gye]

Originally Posted by psychoticpengwn

Theres alot of things that you cant prove exist but people still belive in it the idea of cloning will always be Science VS Religion. I belive in god but cloning can help the human race in many ways to cure cancer oragan transplants those kinds of things.

i dont see how u could construe cloning as sience vs religion. as u cant do that.

Sceience dosnt have any motive. it just goes, right why dose that happen, hmm it seems to be becasue of this, lets test it untill we are sure it cant be anything elce. etc etc...and so nothing in sceince can be proven untill its undergone tests etc etc, or that scenentist looses all cereadabilty.

Religion, or the church (one area of it) has its self to protect. as like it or not at its core its a buinsess, making millions at every service arround the world. no granted alot of this goes to charity, and up keeping of churches etc etc, but its still a buiness and like all buisnesses it needs to survive by peoples donations etc, meaning it needs people to belive what its preaching.


so at the crux of it u are trying to fight
Logic Vs No Logic
which u can't do.


back to the topic the cloning thing, i know he didnt say anything about people soul, but it was kinda implied in the way he said what he did

[David]

Originally Posted by psychoticpengwn

Theres alot of things that you cant prove exist but people still belive in it the idea of cloning will always be Science VS Religion. I belive in god but cloning can help the human race in many ways to cure cancer oragan transplants those kinds of things.

yeah I don't think religion would have much to say against cloning... especially if it's only cloning organs... whole people on the other hand... might cause some controversy in the church

[Stuart]

the only reason people are trying to clone organisms is so the can say "we, the human race have succeded in cloning something, take that you alien sons of b**ches". For now there is no real use for cloning in life.

[godbeast]

Ok, I have asked many religious (Christian) people for clarification on this.

It says somewhere in the bible that God made man in his own image. This is generally affirmed by Christians whom I ask. The bible also goes onto describe God as the father, and Creator.

Would it not stand to reason God created us to be creators ourselves?

By taking that logical leap does it not stand to reason that God himself has instructed us in the bible to clone?

I have yet to get a really good arguement against this. Furthermore, no one has pointed to anything in the Bible which strictly forbids or prohibits this activity.

[MasterSprtn117]

Originally Posted by Ideal Maxima

God created us to live our lives and bring future generations into the world by the way he intended. HE DID NOT WANT US TO TAKE HIS JOB BY CREATING HUMANS/ANIMALS FROM SCRATCH.

I just gotta say that cloning doesn't come from scratch. They still need things to clone. Although I don't support cloning humans, because that eventually will turn into cloning the "best" soldier (a.k.a. superhuman), cloning organs sounds like it would be okay. This is really just about morals that determines how far scientists will go.

[Samo]

since this is an issue that is easy to speak volumes on, ill sum up my opnion quickly

cloning humans: wrong
cloning body parts: ok as long as they arent connected ; )

[Gow616]

My view is that a human is made up of their environment and nature so the whole theory that if you clone someone they come out exactly the same is ludicrous at best because it is the combination of environment and nature that makes up an individual. Unless someone can recreate the same environment than control the actions or reactions to life.

Creating a carbon copy of oneself will never come to pass because of the variables that exist, even if you copy the person down to a T it will still not come out the same as a that copy will have its own thoughts and feelings that will differ from the original. It is Science Fiction books and films that have played up this Identical Copy bit. One only needs to take a look at identical twins to see that even there in Nature's Carbon Copy example there exist difference between the two.

Whether cloning is right or wrong matter in its application. If it is used to create another human for the sole purpose of harvesting, labor, et cetera than it would be completely wrong as it would be stripping human rights and liberties from a human being.

Even if the only thing is to clone body parts for the purpose of harvesting it may not be completely right either as the parts could not exist too well without a body.

Some proper uses of human cloning could be found in if it is used to give a child to a sterile couple, used as a method to give a child to woman who would die if she tried to give birth to a child.

Of course, all the problems that would exist and mostly the reasons people have against cloning is the vain use of cloning. Cloning oneself for the purpose of living past our pre-destined death.

Immortality could be another thread so I will leave at that and end it for now.

In short, cloning for a proper reason is good but it will be a technology that humanity will surely abuse at their first opportunity.

[CrunkMonkey]

Originally Posted by Samo

since this is an issue that is easy to speak volumes on, ill sum up my opnion quickly

cloning humans: wrong
cloning body parts: ok as long as they arent connected ; )

I agree but it depends on the extent if i lost a limb i would like a prosthetic one but i wouldn't like one that i could effortlessly move around

[shesradicalxx]

I think for the sake of science and the future, cloning is important.
Not only to find the cure to diseases, but find other new ones and other gene problems.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be done with humans.