Death Penalty

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

We only have human minds, how should we have reponsibility over the death of our fellow men and women. As I earlier stated, the death penalty is incredibly racist, yet it seems everyone for the death penalty has dodged this statistic proven piece of evidence, why is that?

You and I differ greatly in our views on the world mostly due to our different religious (or lack thereof) views. You see that in the end justice will be served and it is not our place to judge someone and I can understand that looking at things from your point of view. However, if we all took this attitude toward other punishments their could never be order. People need rules and structure and for any society to flourish there has to be punishment for breaking those rules pure and simple. There are certain crimes that are worthy of being put to death. I can see no reason to keep a child murderer alive. There is no benefit to it.

As far as the racism thing, I'm kind of in the middle on that one. I would be naive to think that there is absolutely no amount of bigotry when it comes to handing down sentences but on the other hand (and I know I'm about to piss a lot of people off with this one, but I don't mean to) you have to look at facts. The number of violent crimes (murder, rape, etc...) that is perpetrated by people in minority communities is significantly higher than those committed by white people.

These are statistics that I pulled off the Bureau of Justice's website. This only highlights the percentage of violent crimes committed by whites compared to black and does not include any other minority group...


Key Facts at a Glance
Trends in victimization rates by race

To the chart based on these data | Download spreadsheet version
Serious violent victimization rates by race, 1973-2005

Serious violent crimes included are homicide, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
Adjusted rate per 1,000 persons age 12+
Year White Black
1973 20.0 37.3
1974 20.9 37.3
1975 19.1 36.7
1976 18.8 38.2
1977 19.4 34.4
1978 18.8 33.2
1979 19.6 33.2
1980 18.7 34.0
1981 19.7 40.4
1982 19.0 36.9
1983 16.3 33.1
1984 17.1 32.7
1985 15.6 28.9
1986 15.6 25.2
1987 15.0 33.8
1988 16.0 31.4
1989 16.1 29.5
1990 15.4 31.8
1991 16.2 31.3
1992 16.9 33.0
1993 17.8 34.3
1994 17.1 33.5
1995 13.5 26.4
1996 13.3 26.3
1997 12.9 20.7
1998 11.6 19.2
1999 10.2 19.5
2000 8.7 16.2
2001 8.4 12.7
2002 6.6 13.0
2003 6.5 12.8
2004 6.3 11.2
2005 6.5 13.6

Like I said, I'm not saying there is no racism when it comes to handing out sentences because I'm sure there is to a degree, but you can't argue with those numbers man. naturally there is going to be a higher number of minorities put to death when there are more of them commiting the crimes that are worthy of the death penalty.

[mr.handsomeman]

wow floor, I didn't even know that stuff like this was going on, i thought it was pretty fair, but numbers like these don't lie man, this is really sad.

[Luna]

I don't think it's a good thing. It would kinda "free" the person from her or his punishment. Maybe torture would be a better option. :3

[MemphisMasenko]

I think The Death Penalty is murder.
People who don't prevent and participate in carrying out the Death Penalty is basically a murderer.
I'd hate to be a juror.

[Luna]

Originally Posted by MemphisMasenko

I think The Death Penalty is murder.
People who don't prevent and participate in carrying out the Death Penalty is basically a murderer.
I'd hate to be a juror.

I get what you mean.
It would just do the same thing as the judged one did... to kill. But, I guess it's more complicated than that. Most of the life prisonners here in Canada try to kill themselves in prison anyway.

By the way, I read an interesting text in the newspaper lately. It said that in countries where the death penalty is on, there are more murders than in other countries where this consequence is not applicated. To some therapist, it seems the death penalty actually "attracts" them, that it just encourages some persons to do it.

True or not ? I don't know.
I just wanted to share it.~

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by Luna

By the way, I read an interesting text in the newspaper lately. It said that in countries where the death penalty is on, there are more murders than in other countries where this consequence is not applicated. To some therapist, it seems the death penalty actually "attracts" them, that it just encourages some persons to do it.

True or not ? I don't know.
I just wanted to share it.~

Thanks for sharing but I kinda disagree with the therapists.
It sounds out of place to just say that death attracts criminals but as you say from where you are from the criminals try to kill themselves.
but I found out some info on infoplease.com and these are all the places that allow the death penalty....
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
And I sorta understand why some of these places allow the death penalty. It could be the availability to rip off some victims in these places, or the ecomony problems, or goverment issues.
Those are more believable to me than the fact that death attracts criminals.

[Atrocious]

As the US is still a developing nation (we've been together what 200+ years?), we need to have standards to set examples.
If you look at the list above my post, most all of those countries have either been at war since the dawn of time, are overpopulated, or are communist.

[putis]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

or are communist.

There have never been, nor are there now, any Communist countries.

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

As the US is still a developing nation (we've been together what 200+ years?), we need to have standards to set examples.
If you look at the list above my post, most all of those countries have either been at war since the dawn of time, are overpopulated, or are communist.

I don't understand this cause I thought that we, for the recent times have already set examples for people of other countries.
I don't see getting rid or keeping the death penalty as a solution.

And I believe that China is still Communist.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by MemphisMasenko

I don't understand this cause I thought that we, for the recent times have already set examples for people of other countries.
I don't see getting rid or keeping the death penalty as a solution.

And I believe that China is still Communist.

so is North Korea, if I'm not mistaken.

We can't set an example for other countries because our government and economy is only 231 years old, soon to be 232. You'd think in 200 years we'd have stuff figured out, but if you think about all the other countries that have been doing stuff the same way for a long period of time, they're in either peace or havoc. We tend to, as much as we dislike them, act more like the middle eastern countries. Savage. We might have a "booming" economy, but our money is becoming worthless. We don't know how to level it out, because we don't have the proper experience, we had The Great Depression, you'd think we would have learned more from it, but of course, we're American, so we didn't. If we have money, we're going to live our life to where it is so comfortable nothing else bothers us. If someone rebels or acts up, we put them in jail, just letting them rot there, thinking maybe if we release them back into society, they might realize and join our utopia. But of course, wrong again.
We relax before something happens then when it does, we're surprised. Then when punishment for their crimes are delivered, it's too "harsh", and we feel bad.
I love when people say "A Life for a Life isn't worth it". I just think to myself, "yeah, until you're in their position."
You can never know how it really feels until it happens to you, that's why, before it does happen to me, I want that person to be dead, thus the death penalty should be enforced.

[putis]

Originally Posted by MemphisMasenko

And I believe that China is still Communist.

Originally Posted by Atrocious

so is North Korea, if I'm not mistaken.

You're both mistaken.

Neither of those countries is Communist. There's never been one, and there most likely never will be.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by putis

You're both mistaken.

Neither of those countries is Communist. There's never been one, and there most likely never will be.

they're not TRULY communist, just claim to be.
Communism in it's true form is perfection.

[putis]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

they're not TRULY communist, just claim to be.
Communism in it's true form is perfection.

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

I love when people say "A Life for a Life isn't worth it". I just think to myself, "yeah, until you're in their position."
You can never know how it really feels until it happens to you, that's why, before it does happen to me, I want that person to be dead, thus the death penalty should be enforced.

Yeah I did think about if I was in their position and I would just let God handle it. I would be no different from the killer or criminal if I allowed this person to die if I could have prevented him from dying.
No matter who this criminal may kill or rape of my loved ones.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by MemphisMasenko

Yeah I did think about if I was in their position and I would just let God handle it. I would be no different from the killer or criminal if I allowed this person to die if I could have prevented him from dying.
No matter who this criminal may kill or rape of my loved ones.

But you couldn't prevent the original act from happening which causes a series of events that would eventually affect you.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by MemphisMasenko

Yeah I did think about if I was in their position and I would just let God handle it. I would be no different from the killer or criminal if I allowed this person to die if I could have prevented him from dying.
No matter who this criminal may kill or rape of my loved ones.

Why don't we just let all crimes go unpunished? After all God will take care of it all in the end right?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?