American President Race: Who?

[carnealse]

There is not one impressive candidate. I hate settling!
Hilary..for so many, so many reasons No.
Obama, great guy, good speaker, but is a speech going to do anything? Besides, I am way against his national and global wealth redistribution. If you want him to take away your money to give to other people here and all over the world, fine. I worked for my money and with higher taxes...I will need it!
McCain, I respect his military career but do not want him to take the helm of fighting America because he will ramp it up and spread us thin. He did make the statements that we might be in Iraq for another 100 years and that "there will be more wars."
And if you think the Dems will stop the war, read their proposal folks!
It will not be any earlier than 2013 and they will then reduce conventional forces but increase special forces (not good for me)! Okay, there you have it. Just read their proposal and you can find this out yourself.
My personal belief, although I will not vote for a man who will invade an ally and talk to enemies while increasing my taxes and taking away my earned money to give to other people by force as he said he wants to do, but I believe Obama will be the man.
He is the face of change so many cry for. Clintons and Bushes have been around for 16 years. She is not change. She also will no be respected by Muslim countries who unfortunately do not respect women (I've seen that first hand).
Besides, Republicans are not the Raegan type anymore, and the Dems are not JFK material anymore. Politics has become a sad scene.
No matter what, I will always stand for the red white and blue!

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by carnealse

And if you think the Dems will stop the war, read their proposal folks!

I agree especially Obama
He will problably start a new, and much less detailed random as hell war
Just to appear tough
So they won't say that he is a kiss ass gullable president
I want change but not Obamas change
Hell Hillary might do that stuff too...but she will probably be more relentless.

Originally Posted by carnealse

Clintons and Bushes have been around for 16 years. She is not change. She also will no be respected by Muslim countries who unfortunately do not respect women (I've seen that first hand).

Thats what I thought Bill Clinton was for.

[carnealse]

You're right Madame, Clinton was a change before but she does say it's time for change. Many talking heads have made the point that another Clinton is not change.
It's kind of funny, because they are right. 20 years of Clintons and Bushes. Wow, we could call it the CB Dynasty haha!
I wish there was an easy answer but times are complicated. To me, and this is just my thought, but we the people lack a definitive candidate that really speaks the answers and solutions we need and want.
Wouldn't it be great if we had one that had more solutions that more people agree with than ones that turn us off?
If the nation as a whole could really have someone with whom we can all identify and agree with more often than not no matter what the party, this election would be so much more enjoyable!

[Federal111]

Barrack Obama sounds like the best choice for America. He seems to realize that the whole entire world now believes we are militaristic piss offs and that we should get out of Iraq and change our image as America. Mccain is pretty much another cowboy like Bush who believes they can boss the nations of the world and bully the Islamic nations. If I had to vote republican I would definitely vote for Ron Paul, in fact if Hillary Clinton won the nomination I would definitely vote for Paul

[carnealse]

Originally Posted by Federal111

Barrack Obama sounds like the best choice for America. He seems to realize that the whole entire world now believes we are militaristic piss offs and that we should get out of Iraq and change our image as America. Mccain is pretty much another cowboy like Bush who believes they can boss the nations of the world and bully the Islamic nations. If I had to vote republican I would definitely vote for Ron Paul, in fact if Hillary Clinton won the nomination I would definitely vote for Paul

Actually Ron Paul is a libertarian trying to run on the Rep bill, but of course will not make it. He said he will not run on the independent now either.
Obama never said he would pull us out of Iraq. Like I said, read the proposal, it will not happen until 2013 at the earliest.
He also wants to invade our ally in Pakistan but talk to our enemies. He is not going to back off of military use.
Part of the tactic is to reduce conventional forces and ramp up special forces, so then you would not hear about it but the activity is still there. All you have to do is read their fine print.
Plus, if you like the money you earn, do not vote Obama. He proposes to garnish a percentage of wages to redistribute to others in the nation, then even more to give to others all over the world. With his tax increases, forget all that.
Besides, I make my money, and I am not inclined to be forced to give it up to others here and abroad as a handout while I suffer additional pay decreases at their expense.

[Federal111]

Obama never said he would pull us out of Iraq but he would still have better leader ship than those of the Bush Administration. As you said they would ramp up the special forces which is completely true, most European powers now don't have a powerful backbone of a military like we do but more special forces that do the job more clean. Don't be mad about tax raising, taxes are an illusion. Your money goes in the same quantities no matter how you put it. Taxes are the illusion in which people in high places use to gain support by lowering them. In lowering taxes you decrease the amounts of government funds available to colleges, schools and hospitals; making you pay more for your medical bills and education. By raising taxes you give more money to the education and health care system so that you don't have to pay as much for medical bills. You lose money either way, pretty much the same amount whether you lower or raise taxes

[carnealse]

Okay, I have revisited Obama's web site and his proposal goes against the concession the dems have already made.
He says all troops out within 16 months. Thats conventional forces.
I will give you a paycheck if he does that because he, along with plenty others, said that it could not happen that fast.
This is why politicians piss me off. They flip and flop and change words and manipulate. What they say they mean until it's not beneficial, then it is not what they meant.
Ack, politics is draining. I would be horrible at it because I would spit truth and not be elected.
I even avoid office politics like the plague!
Yes, I know that they'd ramp up special forces, they told us all about it. So strain is not relieved, just redistributed.
Taxes kill my pay check as it is. It is not an illusion when Va raised taxes that I had less money that was supposed to goto transportation in Hampton Roads, but the road got worse, traffic is an increasing problem with the tunnels, and abuse of funding is a reality.
I am not arguing, I do agree we need to pay some taxes. We need to support our country somehow.
I also do not like forced garnishment of my wage to redistribute to others as a handout here and abroad.

[Federal111]

The election is all about interpretation though. A politician says whatever the people want to hear but also runs the statements along his/her real theories. After elected the true politician shows. Voting is all about how well you can sort electoral yab from real theory before the voting takes place.

[carnealse]

Originally Posted by Federal111

The election is all about interpretation though. A politician says whatever the people want to hear but also runs the statements along his/her real theories. After elected the true politician shows. Voting is all about how well you can sort electoral yab from real theory before the voting takes place.

You speak true. It is about saying what people want to hear, and words based on...key word...theories. Then the true politician shows, I could not have said it better myself..

[Federal111]

Tahdah teehee correct, that's basically pre-politics explained righ thar

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by carnealse

You're right Madame, Clinton was a change before but she does say it's time for change. Many talking heads have made the point that another Clinton is not change.
It's kind of funny, because they are right. 20 years of Clintons and Bushes. Wow, we could call it the CB Dynasty haha!
I wish there was an easy answer but times are complicated. To me, and this is just my thought, but we the people lack a definitive candidate that really speaks the answers and solutions we need and want.
Wouldn't it be great if we had one that had more solutions that more people agree with than ones that turn us off?
If the nation as a whole could really have someone with whom we can all identify and agree with more often than not no matter what the party, this election would be so much more enjoyable!

I know its not really fair.....that is why I am for Nader if it comes down to Obama and McCain.

p.s. Clinton/Bush dynasty isn't fair. I mean under the Clinton administration things and life was much better than Bush senior and after Bush Jr. The people wasnt complaining about the Clinton administration during the Clinton admin or during the Bush Jr. admin. People used to go around during the Bush Jr. admin praising Bill Clinton as one of the best presidents in current times and for being the "blackest" president there was. Now since Obama shown up people are saying that Bill Clinton wasn't that good of a president either and denouncing the prosperous things that his administration did and that is so annoying cause he is a real good man and has a gold heart. Even black people are turning around and having the audacity to go on tv talking about how Bill Clintons democratic campaign back in the 90's used them just for their vote and when he got in office that he didn't do much for black people its really sad. Bill Clinton worked his ass off for real, and all this negativity cause they seriously believe that Obama is going to do something for the black community besides making history. I swear if Obama gets in an oval office; he is going to treat black folks just like everyone else like the previous presidents before him. Then I would laugh at them cause he raped us too, just like the rest of them supposedly and I can be the one who can say "I told you so".
I am all for just the Clinton Dynasty though.
Great times.

[Federal111]

For Nadar eww...I wouldn't be able to live with myself as Nadar knowing I caused the death of 3000 American soldiers in Iraq. He is the reason why Al Gore lost Florida (too many democrats voted for him) which lost him the close election in 2000. If Al Gore had been elected we wouldn't have been in Iraq. Hence no 3000 American soldiers blown up by roadside bombs or in crowded marketplaces etc.

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by Federal111

For Nadar eww...I wouldn't be able to live with myself as Nadar knowing I caused the death of 3000 American soldiers in Iraq. He is the reason why Al Gore lost Florida (too many democrats voted for him) which lost him the close election in 2000. If Al Gore had been elected we wouldn't have been in Iraq. Hence no 3000 American soldiers blown up by roadside bombs or in crowded marketplaces etc.

If this can produce the same effect against Obama
Then I am all for this.
That and the fact that the guy is most likely the right candidate.

[BobtheWalrus]

Kinda off topic but, how'd Ron Paul get on the poll?

[Federal111]

He snuck in backstage and slipped into the poll because he's cool

[carnealse]

Ron Paul is a good guy other than his pull out cold turkey from Iraq. It is not the best way, despite the opinion of the masses. The masses were not there, and I would not presume to tell a lawyer or a doctor how to do their job based on my opinion, right?
Anyway, many of us know more about Clinton than the media will put out. Including his failure to take control of the CIA Osama Op, passing the buck, and allowing the nation's greatest threat to walk away.
He also was the cause of a certain sniper team to not take out Saddam a long long time ago, and could have avoided a lot of today's issues.
He is also the guy who allowed compartmentalized selling of sensitive technology to China, which many considered treason.
He is the person who named himself the black president. He is pasty like Conan O'Brien!
I love Conan by the way.
He was known for not wanting to offend anyone so would appoint others to make big controversial decisions so that he could not be directly blamed...back to the Osama failure.
I do not back someone like that. His wife is more driven than I think he was, but I cannot get behind her either. She is the epitome of politician.
None the less, it is your vote and your right and I will not dislike someone for their choice to back an opponent. I will support your right to.
It is a great right and privilege that I fight for, and will not discourage another from it no matter what their stance.
God I love this country.

[Federal111]

Woot good job go nationalism yay!

[MemphisMasenko]

Originally Posted by carnealse

Ron Paul is a good guy other than his pull out cold turkey from Iraq. It is not the best way, despite the opinion of the masses. The masses were not there, and I would not presume to tell a lawyer or a doctor how to do their job based on my opinion, right?
Anyway, many of us know more about Clinton than the media will put out. Including his failure to take control of the CIA Osama Op, passing the buck, and allowing the nation's greatest threat to walk away.
He also was the cause of a certain sniper team to not take out Saddam a long long time ago, and could have avoided a lot of today's issues.
He is also the guy who allowed compartmentalized selling of sensitive technology to China, which many considered treason.
He is the person who named himself the black president. He is pasty like Conan O'Brien!
I love Conan by the way.
He was known for not wanting to offend anyone so would appoint others to make big controversial decisions so that he could not be directly blamed...back to the Osama failure.
I do not back someone like that. His wife is more driven than I think he was, but I cannot get behind her either. She is the epitome of politician.
None the less, it is your vote and your right and I will not dislike someone for their choice to back an opponent. I will support your right to.
It is a great right and privilege that I fight for, and will not discourage another from it no matter what their stance.
God I love this country.

Thank You....
I believe Bill Clinton gave my friend a stuffed animal.
Question
Is that much worse than W. Bush behind the media?