Sex with a Drunk Girl=Rape?

[Gow616]

A play called Tape involves three characters and is play about perception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_%28film%29

I don't know how good the film is but the University play was pretty good.

Two guys discussing a past relationship with a girl at a party. Guy A who was boyfriend of the Girl but broke up way before party questions Guy B over his having sex with the Girl at the party. Guy A believes Girl was intoxicated and Guy B raped her...possibly. Guy A confronts Guy B about this years later when Guy B is releasing a new film and Guy A came to see. Incident happens in hotel.

The whole situation is a matter of perception.

spoiler - highlight to read: Tape is set in a motel room in Lansing, Michigan. Vince (Ethan Hawke), an outgoing drug dealer/voluntary fireman, is in town to support his old high school friend’s entry into the Lansing film festival.

His friend, documentary filmmaker Jon Salter (Robert Sean Leonard), joins Vince in his motel room and the two begin to reminisce about their high school years. They get on the subject of Amy (Uma Thurman), Vince's former girlfriend. It appears that whilst they dated for some time, Vince and Amy never had sex. However, after their relationship had ended, Amy had slept with Jon. Naturally, Vince was hurt even though he and Amy had broken up some time previously.

Vince claims Amy had told him that Jon had raped her. Vince becomes obsessed with, and eventually succeeds in getting a verbal confession from Jon about the alleged rape. Immediately after Jon's admission, Vince pulls out a hidden tape recorder that had been recording their whole conversation, much to Jon's horror. Vince then tells Jon that he has invited Amy to dinner, and that she will be arriving shortly.

Eventually Amy does arrive and even though all three of them feel awkward, they begin to talk. Amy explains that she is now an Assistant District Attorney in the Lansing Justice Department. Eventually the three discuss what actually happened between Jon and Amy that night at the party.

Amy claims that it was merely rough sex [actually she loved Jon and wanted sex with him -G] and that Jon did not rape her, leading Jon to believe that she is in denial. After Jon becomes annoyed that Amy is refusing to accept his apology, Amy makes a call with her cell phone to the local police. She asks for a squad car to pick up one person in possession of drugs (Vince), and one in relation to a verifiable rape (Jon). After concluding her phone call, Amy warns the men that they only have about four minutes to make a run for it.

In order to prove to Amy that he is truly remorseful, Jon decides to stay and wait for the police. Vince, realizing that there is nowhere for him to run, flushes his narcotics down the toilet.

Amy reveals that she didn't really call the police, and leaves.

[mr.handsomeman]

it's not rape.....

[Dark616]

legally, yes. morally, no.

[Kryren]

Legally, yes as the woman was under impaired judgment.
Morally, it's not rape, but it's not a good idea.

Now, if she asks you to hold her drink so she can put her hands down your pants, I'd say that was clear enough declaration of intentions to be out of the moral gray area.

[Shann]

Originally Posted by asuro

no its not rape, unless the girl was so drunk she had no idea what was going on and was manipulated to have sex, otherwise no....you cant say that everytime a drunk girl has sex she is raped.

I agree. If the girl's passed out and the guy continues on then yes, but if they're both going at it and having a good time and one thing leads to another and then she wakes up and regrets it, I don't feel that's rape.

[AquaToad]

Originally Posted by Nurta

Sober guy having sex with a drunk girl is fine in all cases where it's fine for a drunk guy to have sex with a sober girl. Any differing argument is pure sexism

ditto that

[pfcreed]

I wish I could get my girlfriend drunk and rape her in that been together for 9 years kinda way, but it usually ends up with me drinkin alone in the bathroom while sitting on the toilet and raping myself while im crying lol ha

[trash berd]

Originally Posted by Dizzy

Well said.
Though it is her fault for putting herself in the situation, it's the guy who's taking advantage of it.

Happens a lot though ; )

Took the words from my mouth

[mistuhsmileylol]

its so sad how it is soo ironic to have a guy file rape charges against a girl

[Dark616]

Originally Posted by mistuhsmileylol

its so sad how it is soo ironic to have a guy file rape charges against a girl

true that. in my case the girl would be the one with the physical advantage, and just because the soldier stands at attention doesn't mean I consent.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by Gow

A play called Tape involves three characters and is play about perception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_%28film%29

I don't know how good the film is but the University play was pretty good.

Two guys discussing a past relationship with a girl at a party. Guy A who was boyfriend of the Girl but broke up way before party questions Guy B over his having sex with the Girl at the party. Guy A believes Girl was intoxicated and Guy B raped her...possibly. Guy A confronts Guy B about this years later when Guy B is releasing a new film and Guy A came to see. Incident happens in hotel.

The whole situation is a matter of perception.

spoiler - highlight to read: Tape is set in a motel room in Lansing, Michigan. Vince (Ethan Hawke), an outgoing drug dealer/voluntary fireman, is in town to support his old high school friend’s entry into the Lansing film festival.

His friend, documentary filmmaker Jon Salter (Robert Sean Leonard), joins Vince in his motel room and the two begin to reminisce about their high school years. They get on the subject of Amy (Uma Thurman), Vince's former girlfriend. It appears that whilst they dated for some time, Vince and Amy never had sex. However, after their relationship had ended, Amy had slept with Jon. Naturally, Vince was hurt even though he and Amy had broken up some time previously.

Vince claims Amy had told him that Jon had raped her. Vince becomes obsessed with, and eventually succeeds in getting a verbal confession from Jon about the alleged rape. Immediately after Jon's admission, Vince pulls out a hidden tape recorder that had been recording their whole conversation, much to Jon's horror. Vince then tells Jon that he has invited Amy to dinner, and that she will be arriving shortly.

Eventually Amy does arrive and even though all three of them feel awkward, they begin to talk. Amy explains that she is now an Assistant District Attorney in the Lansing Justice Department. Eventually the three discuss what actually happened between Jon and Amy that night at the party.

Amy claims that it was merely rough sex [actually she loved Jon and wanted sex with him -G] and that Jon did not rape her, leading Jon to believe that she is in denial. After Jon becomes annoyed that Amy is refusing to accept his apology, Amy makes a call with her cell phone to the local police. She asks for a squad car to pick up one person in possession of drugs (Vince), and one in relation to a verifiable rape (Jon). After concluding her phone call, Amy warns the men that they only have about four minutes to make a run for it.

In order to prove to Amy that he is truly remorseful, Jon decides to stay and wait for the police. Vince, realizing that there is nowhere for him to run, flushes his narcotics down the toilet.

Amy reveals that she didn't really call the police, and leaves.

dang man! That's a hardcore story....Well....i still don't think that it's rape. it's only rape if she's fighting back. but still, I wouldn't do it. and i don't have to worry about it because my girlfriend doesn't drink.

[mrs. cutiepie]

Originally Posted by pfcreed

I wish I could get my girlfriend drunk and rape her in that been together for 9 years kinda way, but it usually ends up with me drinkin alone in the bathroom while sitting on the toilet and raping myself while im crying lol ha

ok, so i'm not gonna lie. this post made my heart go down. and only NINE years? jeebus, i think you mean 30 or something . . and even thats not appropriate . whatever :]

still scary as heac though

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by pfcreed

I wish I could get my girlfriend drunk and rape her in that been together for 9 years kinda way, but it usually ends up with me drinkin alone in the bathroom while sitting on the toilet and raping myself while im crying lol ha

wow.....that's wrong in like thirty different levels man.....horrible.

[PoN]

Its rape.

Legally yes

But other wise no

Even though Its completely wrong,

SHe was intoxicated. ANd you took advantaged of her..

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by PoN

Its rape.

Legally yes

But other wise no

Even though Its completely wrong,

SHe was intoxicated. ANd you took advantaged of her..

is it really legally rape though?

[jacobmervine]

lol, i think down on it but its not rape in my opinion, i just will not take advantage, because i know im higher than that, plus my gf might mind lol

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by jacobmervine

lol, i think down on it but its not rape in my opinion, i just will not take advantage, because i know im higher than that, plus my gf might mind lol

story of my life......

[Jon]

It's not legally rape..
It's consensual just with impaired perspective.