How do you think? what right, whats wrong? Lets be respectfully argumentative - Page 2

Dark616 · 02-21-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by trash berd

Why is that? By definition, a fetus is not a human until it has been born. So technically it's not equal to that at all

I feel that a fetus is a human at the instant of fertilization. It has every right to life it would have the sec after it was birthed.

Azraelw3x · 02-21-2008, 09:41 PM

Abortion
Late-term abortion is without any question unacceptable and most certainly equal to murder. Earlier abortion, however, should be allowed, especially if either the mother's or the child's life (during or after birth) could be endangered otherwise, if the mother and/or family cannot support the child adequately, or in cases of rape/incest/other extenuating circumstances. I believe the issue of a woman's right to choose is also important, and that raising a child should be an activity to which a parent should devote a tremendous amount of time and energy (and not a trivial decision). While I agree with many critics' arguments about the sanctity of human life, I do not consider zygotes, embryos, etc. to hold the same intrinsic rights and dignity associated with other examples of human life.

Death Penalty
The death penalty, while ostensibly a just means to punish and eliminate truly dangerous and socially destructive individuals, cannot be justifiably allowed to stand as it is. The death penalty in itself is not objectionable, but unjust application of said penalty, the manner of its execution, and systemic flaws (read: our justice system's inconsistent and often subjective nature) mean that our use of the death penalty is wrong. Men belonging to racial minorities are sentenced to death at a significantly higher rate (in many cases suffering harsher punishments than whites for the same crimes), lethal injections are often administered not by medically-trained professionals but by inexperienced and incompetent orderlies (who cut flesh to reach veins, administer drugs at incorrect dosages, etc.), and sentences are inconsistently doled out in different places (identical crimes are punished differently, some states use the death penalty for far less serious crimes/more often, etc.). Additionally, the death penalty has been shown to be ineffective as a crime deterrent. In our current system, and perhaps in almost any conceivable system, the death penalty cannot be accepted as a valid method of punishment except in extreme cases.

Evolution
Evolution is a real phenomenon, with overwhelming evidence to support it. The teaching of evolution in schools should not be considered controversial at all, and attempts to introduce ideas such as intelligent design (which is controversial more due to its background than to its actual premise) or Creationism are clearly unacceptable as injections of religious beliefs into education.

Cloning
Cloning has countless possible benefits to society, with implications for everything from medicine to agriculture to scientific progress in general. Stem cell research, artificial organ creation, preservation of endangered species, and other similar applications of cloning techniques should be allowed and encouraged. Whole human cloning and "enhancement" of genes, however, cannot be justified because of their obvious moral implications. As with any other issue concerning genetic manipulation/duplication, all uses should be reviewed by an independent panel of bioethics experts.

Sex before marriage
Permissible, so long as it's consensual (implying the individuals must also be capable of consent) and non-incestuous. There is also an expectation of some sort of responsibility. While this is objectionable to some religious doctrines, it is not in itself morally wrong or harmful to others. A disapproval of premarital sex is understandable, but should not affect law or treatment of others.

Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances?
This depends on the definition of "cheating" involved; it is my personal belief that one can only truly "cheat" if one still holds strong feelings for whomever is "being cheated on." Cheating should otherwise be considered wrong only in associated wrongs, namely deception or the breaking of some promise of faithfulness (which themselves can be objectionable).

Homosexuality
If it is a genuine part of someone's identity, there is nothing wrong with it. While to some it may seem wrong or even supposedly damaging to society, I find it indefensible to deny some individuals the right to carry out personal relationships or express themselves, whether officially or out of social intimidation.

Antisemitism
Anyone who would argue that institutional antisemitism or antisemitic behavior/public speech, etc. is acceptable is a fool. I would ordinarily refrain from making such a strong accusation, but in this case I think it justified.

Shann · 02-25-2008, 07:22 PM

I'll throw my opinions out there as well

Abortion - I'm totally pro-choice, there are all ready many kids in this world that are not taken care of or loved the way they should be, why add more?

Death Penalty - I used to be against this, but now my feelings are an eye for an eye, I don't feel someone should be able to be so selfish to take the life of another and then get to sit in jail where food is provided and live out their life.

Evolution - all for it, believe this is how we came to be.

Cloning - all for it as well, especially if it will help cure disease

Sex before marriage - absolutely, you have to test drive the care before you buy it ; )

Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances? - I don't believe so. If a person is truly unhappy there should be nothing stopping a person from leaving and finding true love.

Homosexuality - you are who you are and I would never look down on someone who is a homosexual. Infact I've had many homosexual friends and I've never felt they were any different than my straight friends.

Antisemitism - I don't feel this is right to hate someone b/c of their religion

shane · 02-26-2008, 03:03 PM

I'll keep 'em short and to the point

Abortion - Under certain circumstances yeah, the last thing we need is more people on welfare

Death Penalty - Eye for an Eye Tooth for a Tooth, it's in the Bible

Evolution - yeah, why not

Cloning - no

Sex before marriage - if it's mutual

Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances? - no

Homosexuality - not for me, but if they want to, I say go for it

Antisemitism. - Why hate someone just for their religion?

mrs. cutiepie · 02-26-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shane

Death Penalty - Eye for an Eye Tooth for a Tooth, it's in the Bible

isn't that Hammurabi?

asuro · 02-26-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cutiepie

well, with the whole Israel thing going on. I guess the only reason i say that is because I'VE MET people who tell me that they hate Jews. . . and that they should give up their land and stoof. So out of curiosity is asked "do you hate blacks or mexicans?" and they said "uh, no. i'm not racist."

and i got confused.

technically antisemitism is not racism. racism is hate and discrimination, not religion. so although the ppl u are talking about said they are not racist out of pure ignorance, they are kind of right, technically speaking. if you hate mexicans you are racist...because thats a race, but judiasim is a religion. you could be racist if you say u hate israelis, but not jews.

im not saying that antisemitism is right...its a horrible thing, but its not really racism.

Azraelw3x · 02-26-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cutiepie

isn't that Hammurabi?

Yes, but it's also in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 19:17-21) as part of the laws set up by Moses.

Gow616 · 02-26-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Azraelw3x

Yes, but it's also in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 19:17-21) as part of the laws set up by Moses.

Further proof to support Azrael, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_Eye

asuro · 02-27-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane

I'll keep 'em short and to the point

Abortion - Under certain circumstances yeah, the last thing we need is more people on welfare

Death Penalty - Eye for an Eye Tooth for a Tooth, it's in the Bible

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane

I'll keep 'em short and to the point

Abortion - Under certain circumstances yeah, the last thing we need is more people on welfare

Death Penalty - Eye for an Eye Tooth for a Tooth, it's in the Bible

great point about the welfare thing....not so great point about death penalty.

i honestly think that if someone is held in prison for life its worse than death. and they can replace death penalty with solitary confinement. although it would be cheaper to just execute criminals i dont think its right/moral.

and for those of you arguing that it says in the bible eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.....just because something is in the bible doesnt make it truth...and i think the old testament is complete bs anyway (dont mean to offend anyone ...just my opinion)

mr.handsomeman · 02-28-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by asuro

i honestly think that if someone is held in prison for life its worse than death. and they can replace death penalty with solitary confinement. although it would be cheaper to just execute criminals i dont think its right/moral.

i can see how life sentence CAN be worse. But let's face it, when you become the big guy in prison...your life can be AMAZING! you can have lots of guys running under you you know? I think we should just kill the guys and make it quick.

Volpe Sinatra · 02-28-2008, 12:18 PM

Abortion
-- I'm pro-choice. Most would think of children as "such a great and joyful blessing," but it's not for everyone. Sure, you could the baby up for adoption, but there are so many kids already living in crappy foster homes or out on the street. Like Shann said, why add more?

Death Penalty
-- I dunno, the law holds the death penalty as the most severe form of crime punishment, but.. I dunno, I think rotting alone in a dank, dark cell is more severe.

Evolution
-- I believe it happened.

Cloning
-- I dunno, I don't really have an opinion on this.

Sex before marriage
-- I'd be a hypocrite if I were to say I'm against it.

Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances?
-- No. If you're that unhappy, just end it already.

Homosexuality
-- It's fine by me. Then again, I am bi, so..

Antisemitism
-- If you hate someone based on his/her race, gender, age, religion, sexuality, anything other than his/her character, go screw yourself, you're pathetic.

mr.handsomeman · 03-26-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by zombii kitten

Abortion

Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances?
-- No. If you're that unhappy, just end it already.

.

agreed!

133794m3r · 03-26-2008, 11:27 AM

Abortion: A woman's right to choose. Right
Death Penalty: Right they have it coming. And besides we don't need to be paying for them.
Evolution: It's all around us. You can't deny it.
Cloning: Very right.
Sex before marriage: If they're in love.
Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances?: NO!
Homosexuality: Right. I just won't gay sex anyone.
Antisemitism: Very wrong it's racism to the extreme.

PityOnU · 03-26-2008, 11:41 AM

I dont force my beliefs on anyone else unless they try to force theirs upon me.

mr.handsomeman · 03-27-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PityOnU

I dont force my beliefs on anyone else unless they try to force theirs upon me.

i wouldn't care if they are forcing them on me....i still wouldn't force mine.

mrs. cutiepie · 03-27-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

i wouldn't care if they are forcing them on me....i still wouldn't force mine.

yeah, a lot of people try to

02-21-2008, 09:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Azraelw3x Experienced Zuner Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 176 Reputation: 13 $zB: 165 Donate	Abortion Late-term abortion is without any question unacceptable and most certainly equal to murder. Earlier abortion, however, should be allowed, especially if either the mother's or the child's life (during or after birth) could be endangered otherwise, if the mother and/or family cannot support the child adequately, or in cases of rape/incest/other extenuating circumstances. I believe the issue of a woman's right to choose is also important, and that raising a child should be an activity to which a parent should devote a tremendous amount of time and energy (and not a trivial decision). While I agree with many critics' arguments about the sanctity of human life, I do not consider zygotes, embryos, etc. to hold the same intrinsic rights and dignity associated with other examples of human life. Death Penalty The death penalty, while ostensibly a just means to punish and eliminate truly dangerous and socially destructive individuals, cannot be justifiably allowed to stand as it is. The death penalty in itself is not objectionable, but unjust application of said penalty, the manner of its execution, and systemic flaws (read: our justice system's inconsistent and often subjective nature) mean that our use of the death penalty is wrong. Men belonging to racial minorities are sentenced to death at a significantly higher rate (in many cases suffering harsher punishments than whites for the same crimes), lethal injections are often administered not by medically-trained professionals but by inexperienced and incompetent orderlies (who cut flesh to reach veins, administer drugs at incorrect dosages, etc.), and sentences are inconsistently doled out in different places (identical crimes are punished differently, some states use the death penalty for far less serious crimes/more often, etc.). Additionally, the death penalty has been shown to be ineffective as a crime deterrent. In our current system, and perhaps in almost any conceivable system, the death penalty cannot be accepted as a valid method of punishment except in extreme cases. Evolution Evolution is a real phenomenon, with overwhelming evidence to support it. The teaching of evolution in schools should not be considered controversial at all, and attempts to introduce ideas such as intelligent design (which is controversial more due to its background than to its actual premise) or Creationism are clearly unacceptable as injections of religious beliefs into education. Cloning Cloning has countless possible benefits to society, with implications for everything from medicine to agriculture to scientific progress in general. Stem cell research, artificial organ creation, preservation of endangered species, and other similar applications of cloning techniques should be allowed and encouraged. Whole human cloning and "enhancement" of genes, however, cannot be justified because of their obvious moral implications. As with any other issue concerning genetic manipulation/duplication, all uses should be reviewed by an independent panel of bioethics experts. Sex before marriage Permissible, so long as it's consensual (implying the individuals must also be capable of consent) and non-incestuous. There is also an expectation of some sort of responsibility. While this is objectionable to some religious doctrines, it is not in itself morally wrong or harmful to others. A disapproval of premarital sex is understandable, but should not affect law or treatment of others. Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances? This depends on the definition of "cheating" involved; it is my personal belief that one can only truly "cheat" if one still holds strong feelings for whomever is "being cheated on." Cheating should otherwise be considered wrong only in associated wrongs, namely deception or the breaking of some promise of faithfulness (which themselves can be objectionable). Homosexuality If it is a genuine part of someone's identity, there is nothing wrong with it. While to some it may seem wrong or even supposedly damaging to society, I find it indefensible to deny some individuals the right to carry out personal relationships or express themselves, whether officially or out of social intimidation. Antisemitism Anyone who would argue that institutional antisemitism or antisemitic behavior/public speech, etc. is acceptable is a fool. I would ordinarily refrain from making such a strong accusation, but in this case I think it justified. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Volpe Sinatra You Know I'm Filthy GFX Crew Section Staff Super Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,574 Reputation: 187 $zB: 1289 Donate Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Abortion -- I'm pro-choice. Most would think of children as "such a great and joyful blessing," but it's not for everyone. Sure, you could the baby up for adoption, but there are so many kids already living in crappy foster homes or out on the street. Like Shann said, why add more? Death Penalty -- I dunno, the law holds the death penalty as the most severe form of crime punishment, but.. I dunno, I think rotting alone in a dank, dark cell is more severe. Evolution -- I believe it happened. Cloning -- I dunno, I don't really have an opinion on this. Sex before marriage -- I'd be a hypocrite if I were to say I'm against it. Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances? -- No. If you're that unhappy, just end it already. Homosexuality -- It's fine by me. Then again, I am bi, so.. Antisemitism -- If you hate someone based on his/her race, gender, age, religion, sexuality, anything other than his/her character, go screw yourself, you're pathetic. __________________ 美 V~O~L~P~E 美 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 美 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 美 3pt +rep to all To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. to introduce themselves! Please help show support for an To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ! Last edited by Volpe Sinatra : 02-28-2008 at 12:19 PM. Reason: Typo

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133794m3r Graduate Zuner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: On the interenet. Posts: 1,487 Reputation: 32 $zB: 1568 Donate	Abortion: A woman's right to choose. Right Death Penalty: Right they have it coming. And besides we don't need to be paying for them. Evolution: It's all around us. You can't deny it. Cloning: Very right. Sex before marriage: If they're in love. Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances?: NO! Homosexuality: Right. I just won't gay sex anyone. Antisemitism: Very wrong it's racism to the extreme. __________________ i'd like to say.... deal w/ it.... don't complain.... liz swings the ban hammer at me and like an idiotic fish i fly back w/ a grape cannon in my right flipper.... ----------------------------------------------------- Pokemon be coming to your Zune plz... don't yell at me for slowness... the game took a team of like 100 ppl like 5 years.. and I'm one guy...

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02-25-2008, 07:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
Shann Jr. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 263 Reputation: 25 $zB: 220 Donate	I'll throw my opinions out there as well Abortion - I'm totally pro-choice, there are all ready many kids in this world that are not taken care of or loved the way they should be, why add more? Death Penalty - I used to be against this, but now my feelings are an eye for an eye, I don't feel someone should be able to be so selfish to take the life of another and then get to sit in jail where food is provided and live out their life. Evolution - all for it, believe this is how we came to be. Cloning - all for it as well, especially if it will help cure disease Sex before marriage - absolutely, you have to test drive the care before you buy it ; ) Is it ok for a person to cheat under any circumstances? - I don't believe so. If a person is truly unhappy there should be nothing stopping a person from leaving and finding true love. Homosexuality - you are who you are and I would never look down on someone who is a homosexual. Infact I've had many homosexual friends and I've never felt they were any different than my straight friends. Antisemitism - I don't feel this is right to hate someone b/c of their religion

03-26-2008, 11:41 AM	#34 (permalink)
PityOnU Super Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the real world Posts: 1,983 Reputation: 134 $zB: 159 Donate	I dont force my beliefs on anyone else unless they try to force theirs upon me.

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