Do you believe in evolution and why?

[Jzune]

can someone clarify this miller expirement. what is it?

[carnealse]

Miller's experiment, (and if I miss anything please correct me) was an experiment to try and recreate how organic compounds that could have been the building blocks of life were created.
Miller chose a hydrogen-rich mixture of methane, ammonia, and water vapor for his atmosphere. This model of early earth was consistent with what scientists believed early earth was like during that time. However, scientists widely do not believe that anymore.
It was a controlled environment sealed up in glass tubes and flasks. Sparks were introduced to simulate lightening and after about a week, organic compounds were observed. The resulting compounds were formaldehyde and cyanide. Not life building.
His experiment gave birth to more experiments of this kind, one producing amino acids, needed for life.
There is a generally accepted model with very little hydrogen as it would have escaped into space, and that the atmosphere consisted of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor.
To create the experiment that produced amino acids, a lot of speculation of early earth by the addition of iron and carbonate minerals to neutralize the nitrates that would otherwise destroy the amino acids was used.

[Azraelw3x]

To be quite honest I'm a little tired of this discussion. I could of course keep going, but I feel it would be useless to keep discussing this same thing over and over again with no end in sight and no change of opinion on either side. Argument for the sake of argument is fine, but there's a point at which it just seems pointless.

Maybe I'll return to this in the future, but for now I think I'll take a break =P

[carnealse]

Alright then. A break it is. I've studied it for years on end so I can talk about it so much that it can get mundane. The hard data is what I am most interested in, and that takes so long that typing on a forum is hard on the eyes both reading it all and typing it all.
I like it, but I am mainly on here for the Zune 80 haha. I just happened to get into this as a distraction. Since I just got my arm band, car holder, and FM tuner a few minutes ago, thank you USPS, I am going to go add more music, movies, and play with my new toys.
Its been fun.

[mrs. cutiepie]

ok. . .

so what say we all agree that God is the creator of everything and thats that. ^_^ logical and true. yay!

[thresixty]

Originally Posted by cutiepie

ok. . .

so what say we all agree that God is the creator of everything and thats that. ^_^ logical and true. yay!

No no and no.

[mrs. cutiepie]

Originally Posted by Azraelw3x

To be quite honest I'm a little tired of this discussion. I could of course keep going, but I feel it would be useless to keep discussing this same thing over and over again with no end in sight and no change of opinion on either side. Argument for the sake of argument is fine, but there's a point at which it just seems pointless.

Maybe I'll return to this in the future, but for now I think I'll take a break =P

yah, good idea. i think i'll do the same.

[paul4531]

Originally Posted by cutiepie

yah, good idea. i think i'll do the same.

me 4...All the cool people are doing it.

[jjclownyseed2008]

I do not believe that evolution happened, but than again i do not believe almost anything, everything is almost faith based : Creation of the World, Creation of People, even history. Everyone that believes something, has faith in it, without solid proof. Even for history, something may be found documented but that does not necessarily make it true.

[Jzune]

Originally Posted by carnealse

Miller's experiment, (and if I miss anything please correct me) was an experiment to try and recreate how organic compounds that could have been the building blocks of life were created.
Miller chose a hydrogen-rich mixture of methane, ammonia, and water vapor for his atmosphere. This model of early earth was consistent with what scientists believed early earth was like during that time. However, scientists widely do not believe that anymore.
It was a controlled environment sealed up in glass tubes and flasks. Sparks were introduced to simulate lightening and after about a week, organic compounds were observed. The resulting compounds were formaldehyde and cyanide. Not life building.
His experiment gave birth to more experiments of this kind, one producing amino acids, needed for life.
There is a generally accepted model with very little hydrogen as it would have escaped into space, and that the atmosphere consisted of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor.
To create the experiment that produced amino acids, a lot of speculation of early earth by the addition of iron and carbonate minerals to neutralize the nitrates that would otherwise destroy the amino acids was used.

So if the mixture represents the earths elements and atmosphere and the sparks represent lightning, who does miller represent?

[zunemuhnkie]

There is none; the only "proof" is inaccurate, faulty carbon dating. Evolution=false

[BobtheWalrus]

Originally Posted by Jzune

Yeah there is: the prophecies, the fact that it states the earth is in the shape of an orb, which lets face people thought it was flat. Cant remember when they stoped believeing this but it was way after that was stated in the bible

Then if they were prophecies about the earth, how come nobody believed them?

Isn't that what Columbus is famous for?
and if it was prophesized years ago, why was it a big surprise to everyone, when they found the world wasn't flat?

If you want proof of evolution, take time, spread out your fingers and toes, and notice something, they're webbed

[mrs. cutiepie]

you know , i came back to this to see people's view of evo and creation. . . but i find myself feeling nauseated just reading it. ugh . .so tired of it.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by mrs. cutiepie

you know , i came back to this to see people's view of evo and creation. . . but i find myself feeling nauseated just reading it. ugh . .so tired of it.

wait...why? what hapenned?

[mrs. cutiepie]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

wait...why? what hapenned?

i'm just tired of this whole conversation. no one gets anywhere with anyone.

bleh.

in my world [on this topic] - i'm right, everyone else is wrong . . unless they have the same viewpoint. i wouldn't believe it if i didnt' think it was logical an true

. . . so does everyone else in the world >.>

[Trogdor]

Now in a serious tone.

The Scientists who brought evolution into textbooks used fake imagery without source

That image by Ernst Haeckel in the 1860s was drawn out of theory then accepted as fact by textbooks.

Haeckel’s drawings, despite their noted inaccuracies, entered into the most impenetrable and permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology (p. 44)….Once ensconced in textbooks, misinformation becomes cocooned and effectively permanent, because…textbooks copy from previous texts (p. 45).

Source

[133794m3r]

well yeah but sometimes it does happen.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by mrs. cutiepie

ok. . .

so what say we all agree that God is the creator of everything and thats that. ^_^ logical and true. yay!

You're right! The Flying Spaghetti Monster did make us!
Oh be blessed. I hope you all are touched by his noodly appendage!