Do you believe in evolution and why? - Page 2

Bear holding a shark · 02-14-2008, 01:28 PM

I don't know how to make this any clearer...

If it has been going on for millions of years, then different species would be at different "levels" of evolution. Say an animal (such as the cow) has the evolutionary need for another stomach, the next generation of cows aren't born with an extra stomach, they'd be born with small begginings of a new stomach, which slowly grows over millions of years. Yet we don't see any animals with intermediary organs.

dustin_ds3000 · 02-14-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jzune

Then wheres the product that started a million years ago?

you show me anything that million years old other than a fossil, i cant answer all these questions im just 17 years old

Bear holding a shark · 02-14-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin_ds3000

you show me anything that million years old other than a fossil

My great grandma =P

BTW Dustin, I'm just trying to prove what I believe, so don't think take anthing personal. Our little debate is making things interesting

dustin_ds3000 · 02-14-2008, 01:35 PM

its all good, im open minded, i respect everybody believe. im not here to say your worng and im right. im just here

Dragod · 02-14-2008, 01:37 PM

I do believe Evolution is real. Why? It's the best theory based on the evidence we have. Science is tentative. Before Darwin found remains of several thousand year old animals, and then found subtle changes in different areas, people believed in creationism. Why? Because we didn't have evidence that proved otherwise. Now we do.

If creationism were true, wouldn't we see new species popping up everywhere? Why haven't we seen Kiwi bird-like animals? Because once a species goes extinct, there is nothing to evolve from.

Evolution might not be the real way we came to be, but what other proof do we have that it's something else? We don't, and that is why I will believe in Evolution until new evidence can prove a new theory more likely.

Jzune · 02-14-2008, 01:49 PM

I meant wheres the evolved product.

Dragod · 02-14-2008, 01:51 PM

What do you mean by that?

Gregory · 02-14-2008, 01:52 PM

Because it would take millions of years to develop, every living human part starts as one cell.

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Originally Posted by Saline

I don't know how to make this any clearer...

If it has been going on for millions of years, then different species would be at different "levels" of evolution. Say an animal (such as the cow) has the evolutionary need for another stomach, the next generation of cows aren't born with an extra stomach, they'd be born with small begginings of a new stomach, which slowly grows over millions of years. Yet we don't see any animals with intermediary organs.

trash berd · 02-14-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jzune

I dont, and ill tell you why. Cus we as humans break darwyns theory of evolution. Which if im not mistaken "only the strong survive" am i right?

We're at the top of the food chain for a reason, we can kill any organic matter on our planet.

lpxxfaintxx · 02-14-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory

Is there more proof about creation by God? The bible could have been written by anyone.

Actually, the Bible is only book has over 24,000 similar ancient copies. The Bible is the least changed and most accurately detailed for over 2,000 years. And don't say that "Jesus is not real", because there are historical documents and context on him (from his time period) around the world.

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Is the Bible Scientifically Accurate?

Science is knowledge. It is what we know. With this definition, science and the Bible are in perfect harmony. There is no evidence to suggest the Bible is inaccurate in any of its statements regarding creation or scientific facts. In fact, the more advances are made in science, the more it has proven the truth of the Bible!

Now, everyone knows that there are plenty of popular theories in the scientific community that contradict the Bible, the most notable being evolution. Yet even in this case, evolution is not pure science, for it is not known, but only theorized. No evidence contradicting what the Bible says has been produced by evolution-believers. (For more information on this topic, check out our creation/evolution section.)

As science has advanced over the centuries, stunning discoveries have shown that not only is the Bible scientifically accurate, but the Bible actually made scientific statements about nature hundreds of years before man discovered them! For example, look at the following….

-The Bible said that the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out. (Isa. 40:22)

-The Bible said that the earth is suspended in space 3600 years before man discovered it. (Job 26:7)

-The Bible said that the universe is running down only 2500 years before man found out. (Isaiah 51:6, Ps. 102:26, Rom 8:20-21)

-The Bible said that blood sustains life 3300 years before man would agree. (Lev. 17:11)

-The Bible said the stars produce sound 4000 years before man found out. (Job 38:7)

-The Bible said that the earth rotates on an axis 3550 years before scientists discovered the same. (Job 38:12, Luke 17:31,34)

-The Bible said that the stars cannot be numbered 3000 years before astronomers figured it out. (Genesis 15:5, 22:17)

-The Bible said that man is made from the same materials as the earth 3200 years before man found out. (Gen. 2:8, 3:19, Ps. 103:14)

Source: Biology: God's Living Creation. A Beka Books. Pensacola, FL. (1986)

The Bible is most definitely scientific--it is totally accurate and has often demonstrated that God knows more about science than man. (This would make sense, seeing that God is the One who invented science itself!) Read Job 38-42.

Remember this: People never reject the Bible because of their science, they reject the Bible because of their sin. To admit that the Bible is right is to admit that we are obligated to follow what it says--and many would still foolishly hold to the opinions of men rather than the Word of the True God.

Source

Jzune · 02-14-2008, 03:45 PM

Way to go LPXX!!!

lpxxfaintxx · 02-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Also I'm not saying that I don't believe in evolution. I do believe in evolution, but not to the extent where us (humans) were formed by evolution.

Also, in the bible it states that the world was created in 6 days. But no one knows how long 'each day' was at the time. For all we know, one day could have been 1 billion years in God's time.

Gregory · 02-14-2008, 04:02 PM

LPX, I certianly think there could have been a person named Jesus, just so you know. I just don't believe in God.

lpxxfaintxx · 02-14-2008, 04:13 PM

Why is that so?

Bear holding a shark · 02-14-2008, 04:25 PM

Believe what you'd like. But I'll believe in intelligent design. Why? Because for me there's more proof for it than against it. I also like to think that my life has meaning and I'm not just some organism let loose on the world to live for a sort while then go back into nothingness.

dustin_ds3000 · 02-14-2008, 05:24 PM

this is some heavy stuff

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Originally Posted by Gregory

LPX, I certianly think there could have been a person named Jesus, just so you know. I just don't believe in God.

this is what i think to. if you can if you like you to read this plz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_All

i know its not on the same page as us

asuro · 02-14-2008, 06:36 PM

yes.......its the only thing that makes sense to me now, when someone else comes up with a better theory i might change my mind. but between evolution and the "god just made everything" theory i like evolution way better.

mrs. cutiepie · 02-14-2008, 08:07 PM

You can believe in God and still think evolution is factual.

I mean, if the environment changes, then the species within that habitat have to go with the flow (some die off and the surviors reproduce)

But it's a completely different thing to say that humans somehow miraculously originated from monkeys. nonono. none of that makes sense to me. God created the earth and every creature dwelling in it. Now, animals and landscapes may go through some mutations and changes and such, but God is the reason for everything. God is the beginning and the end.

period. : ]

Dark616 · 02-14-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cutiepie

You can believe in God and still think evolution is factual.

I mean, if the environment changes, then the species within that habitat have to go with the flow (some die off and the surviors reproduce)

But it's a completely different thing to say that humans somehow miraculously originated from monkeys. nonono. none of that makes sense to me. God created the earth and every creature dwelling in it. Now, animals and landscapes may go through some mutations and changes and such, but God is the reason for everything. God is the beginning and the end.

period. : ]

micro evolution. basic adaptions, but not any massive change(monkey to man)

that is what you are saying right? The bible may have supposed holes in it, but it makes a heck of a lot more sense then evolution.

also, I like what lpx said.

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Dragod The Master Chief Retired Staff Expert Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In a house. Posts: 2,646 Reputation: 239 $zB: 422 Donate	I do believe Evolution is real. Why? It's the best theory based on the evidence we have. Science is tentative. Before Darwin found remains of several thousand year old animals, and then found subtle changes in different areas, people believed in creationism. Why? Because we didn't have evidence that proved otherwise. Now we do. If creationism were true, wouldn't we see new species popping up everywhere? Why haven't we seen Kiwi bird-like animals? Because once a species goes extinct, there is nothing to evolve from. Evolution might not be the real way we came to be, but what other proof do we have that it's something else? We don't, and that is why I will believe in Evolution until new evidence can prove a new theory more likely. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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dustin_ds3000 Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: AR Posts: 217 Reputation: 19 $zB: 125 Donate	its all good, im open minded, i respect everybody believe. im not here to say your worng and im right. im just here

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lpxxfaintxx Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,769 Reputation: 182 $zB: 1989 Donate	Also I'm not saying that I don't believe in evolution. I do believe in evolution, but not to the extent where us (humans) were formed by evolution. Also, in the bible it states that the world was created in 6 days. But no one knows how long 'each day' was at the time. For all we know, one day could have been 1 billion years in God's time. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Bear holding a shark Zune Freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 15 miles south of Nowhere, USA Posts: 1,236 Reputation: 106 $zB: 776 Donate	Believe what you'd like. But I'll believe in intelligent design. Why? Because for me there's more proof for it than against it. I also like to think that my life has meaning and I'm not just some organism let loose on the world to live for a sort while then go back into nothingness. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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asuro Zune Freak Join Date: May 2007 Location: skokie IL.....near chicago Posts: 1,219 Reputation: 58 $zB: 164 Donate	yes.......its the only thing that makes sense to me now, when someone else comes up with a better theory i might change my mind. but between evolution and the "god just made everything" theory i like evolution way better. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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mrs. cutiepie Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: deep in the <3 of texas Posts: 606 Reputation: 40 $zB: 73 Donate	You can believe in God and still think evolution is factual. I mean, if the environment changes, then the species within that habitat have to go with the flow (some die off and the surviors reproduce) But it's a completely different thing to say that humans somehow miraculously originated from monkeys. nonono. none of that makes sense to me. God created the earth and every creature dwelling in it. Now, animals and landscapes may go through some mutations and changes and such, but God is the reason for everything. God is the beginning and the end. period. : ] __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. iloveyoumario

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