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I see gay marriage negatively in society. I was raised Christian, and my mom told me that being gay or marrying with a gay person are people who the Devil is controlling.
I personally view gay people and gay marriage like that. I don't hate hate anything gay, but my view is clear: gay marriage or anything gay is just wrong. It is a sin and it is stated in the Bible.
How do you know this? I was under the impression that the scientific consensus was that it was in fact biological.
Homosexuality was also omitted from the latest DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
make up your mind
your first statement says biological but the second says it's not a mental disorder (biological)
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im in a library right now but i know if i went home i could pull out my 1st year Psych textbook and it will say that homosexuality is seen as on a sliding scale, with people born with a higher or lower tendency to become homosexual through life experiences and social adaptation.
here's another example:
people aren't born into the S&M scene, but life experience, social adaptation, and other things that affect the psyche lead some people to love whips, leather, and other fetish things, etc.
IMO, homosexuality in majority of cases is an example of same-sex-fetish or simply an arousal from the taboo. Any psychology text will tell you that fetishes are the result of social impact and taboo is entirely a cultural creation.
just cause it's seen on a sliding scale doesn't mean it can't be biological as well, I think biological and psychological factors play a role in homosexuality. If homosexuality was kept in the DSM would that mean that person is mentally ill?
I see gay marriage negatively in society. I was raised Christian, and my mom told me that being gay or marrying with a gay person are people who the Devil is controlling.
I personally view gay people and gay marriage like that. I don't hate hate anything gay, but my view is clear: gay marriage or anything gay is just wrong. It is a sin and it is stated in the Bible.
Yet another reason to hate religion... They brainwash people into believing "Whatever I say is the truth". God damn. This stuff really makes me mad... People are people. Everyone was born a human being, everyone eats and breaths just like everyone else. Why does it matter what these people do with their personal lives? Them marrying doesn't suddenly make your marriage any less legitimate.
And I find it funny that even those who go home to beat their spouse or children think they have more right as a couple, than two men or women who just want to be treated like everyone else and not have people constantly being jackasses about their personal lives.
Yet another reason to hate religion... They brainwash people into believing "Whatever I say is the truth". God damn. This stuff really makes me mad... People are people. Everyone was born a human being, everyone eats and breaths just like everyone else. Why does it matter what these people do with their personal lives? Them marrying doesn't suddenly make your marriage any less legitimate.
And I find it funny that even those who go home to beat their spouse or children think they have more right as a couple, than two men or women who just want to be treated like everyone else and not have people constantly being jackasses about their personal lives.
I agree I am Muslim They also don't believe in gay marriage and i admit i am slowly losing my religion.And morally i don't think being gay is right but i don't 100% oppose it.I also admit i make fun of gay people occasionally.But i wont judge a gay person differently
Crunk, my Dad and his side of the family is Muslim. I'm agnostic, but yeah. They believe Gay marriage is wrong. One reason I refuse to identify myself as a muslim, though I hate all religion in general. Sure, I call people "gay" when they start to beat me in Halo 3, but I never bash homosexuals. As long as the person isn't trying to "convert" me, I'm 100% fine with it.
My view is one that sparks quite a bit of controversy but makes the most logical sense if a country is pursuing equal rights for everyone.
The state should recognize no marriages at all, after all a state marriage is not truly a marriage so much as it is grouping two citizens together and giving them more rights and privileges than citizens who are not grouped together. This will also solves the problem of polygamous marriages.
The state should withdraw completely from recognizing marriages and leave that up to the religious institutions.
What does this mean? In layman's terms it means no marriage is recognized by the state and grouped together citizens, no special rights or privileges outside of having the HMOs / Medical recognize the groupings for Medical privacy /decision issues.
Equality is not something you define by giving something more to one and giving less to another just because of their marriage status, income status, race, et cetera. To each you give equally and take equally. Tis why I also support Flat Tax but that is a digression from the topic.
So, where would gay marriage fit into this? It would fit into the place where marriage belongs in the first place, religion. Marriage has always been a religious institution since time immemorial when someone decided to start doing it.
It should have stayed that way and the State should not have entered into dealing with it in this manner of state marriages, unions, so on and so forth. They should have just guaranteed EQUAL rights for such groupings and left it at that, PERIOD.
Thus, in a religious institution that allows gay, polygamous, whatever, marriages it would be legitimate for those to exist and all the state would have to do is recognize them but not grant them special rights because quite frankly I find this gay marriage movement is motivated more by monetary and privilege gaining than recognition of a union.
I also feel that the defense that heterosexual couples bring up of marriage is between a man and woman as based on religion further hammers home the fact that the state should not be involved as it is truly a religious matter and last time I checked the amendments covered the Freedom of Religion.
Being a religious person is not wrong and having religion affect your decisions is not wrong either because all people are a product of their environment and non-religious institutions do as much brainwashing as religious ones.
A moral code must be taught to the young or else you risk having a child with no concept of what their morals are or should be and they tend to go a little astray.
My view is one that sparks quite a bit of controversy but makes the most logical sense if a country is pursuing equal rights for everyone.
The state should recognize no marriages at all, after all a state marriage is not truly a marriage so much as it is grouping two citizens together and giving them more rights and privileges than citizens who are not grouped together. This will also solves the problem of polygamous marriages.
The state should withdraw completely from recognizing marriages and leave that up to the religious institutions.
What does this mean? In layman's terms it means no marriage is recognized by the state and grouped together citizens, no special rights or privileges outside of having the HMOs / Medical recognize the groupings for Medical privacy /decision issues.
Equality is not something you define by giving something more to one and giving less to another just because of their marriage status, income status, race, et cetera. To each you give equally and take equally. Tis why I also support Flat Tax but that is a digression from the topic.
So, where would gay marriage fit into this? It would fit into the place where marriage belongs in the first place, religion. Marriage has always been a religious institution since time immemorial when someone decided to start doing it.
It should have stayed that way and the State should not have entered into dealing with it in this manner of state marriages, unions, so on and so forth. They should have just guaranteed EQUAL rights for such groupings and left it at that, PERIOD.
Thus, in a religious institution that allows gay, polygamous, whatever, marriages it would be legitimate for those to exist and all the state would have to do is recognize them but not grant them special rights because quite frankly I find this gay marriage movement is motivated more by monetary and privilege gaining than recognition of a union.
I also feel that the defense that heterosexual couples bring up of marriage is between a man and woman as based on religion further hammers home the fact that the state should not be involved as it is truly a religious matter and last time I checked the amendments covered the Freedom of Religion.
Being a religious person is not wrong and having religion affect your decisions is not wrong either because all people are a product of their environment and non-religious institutions do as much brainwashing as religious ones.
A moral code must be taught to the young or else you risk having a child with no concept of what their morals are or should be and they tend to go a little astray.
Thats all for now.
No... that's not equality at all. I think maybe we're all mis-understanding what's going on here.
Two gay people can get every single advantage that a straight couple can get. They just can't do it in a church. There are still papers that they can sign for a civil union. Which grants them all the same rights as married people.
The fact is that in the government's supposed perspective, everything is already equal. We just have too many people who don't know that religion should have no part in government.
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If only you could see... it can't be taught, only learned.
The fact is that in the government's supposed perspective, everything is already equal. We just have too many people who don't know that religion should have no part in government.
It is why I push for Government removed from marriage as it is a religious institution.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against homosexuals.
But I believe the sacred act of marriage should be kept between a man and woman because its under Jesus' word and in the bible that thats how it should be.
Homosexuals can become legal partners, which I think is great... but marriage was made and destined for women and men only, and anything other would be considered sin.
Marriage iis a union between a man and a woman...since the beginning of human civilization..it is not just some PC crap, but it promotes a healthy society that can reproduce.
I believe homosexuality is something genetically encoded into a person and isn't something chosen at some point in their life/QUOTE]
but it is. it's a learned behavior that is subconsciously adapted to.
I have a friend that is gay, yet he led a perfectly normal "straight" life, He never had contact with other homosexuals and even dated a few times (Women) before he came to the realization that he didn't like Men. Now nothing in his life has been much different from mine, yet I am straight. Therefore the theory that it is a "learned" behaviour makes no sense.
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They deserve what's coming to them.
What? They deserve to have equal rights? I believe so too.
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ok... so which gene makes you gay?
they don't know... so there's no way to pin it on anything biological.
Where's my proof of god? oh right there is none, therefore everything the bible says about Homosexuals is worth jack ****.
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against homosexuals.
But I believe the sacred act of marriage should be kept between a man and woman because its under Jesus' word and in the bible that thats how it should be.
Homosexuals can become legal partners, which I think is great... but marriage was made and destined for women and men only, and anything other would be considered sin.
There's the Religion, how about you forget what you've been told to believe and think for yourself.
There is no reason they can't enter into a union.
Also the Catholic Church pisses me off big time. I'm being told by a Man who supposedly can hear what God wants for people how to live my life. I'm only gonna be here for another 75 years or so, and I'm going to live my life how I want not as directed by some "supreme being" I don't have any proof of.
