As do the people of the world, though the people far outweigh the religions preaching it.
After all, how many vote on American Idol?
Some people preach ignorance, all religions do.
Also, people can be changed/trained/educated but religions are made of silly dogmas.
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People en masse hold silly dogmas regardless of what training we could do.
That's just not true. People don't just 'have' dogmas. They're taught them (usually by religions), so they can be untaught them, or taught something more adaptive.
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People do possess dogmas, and not just those taught by religion.
It is misconstrued that dogma only exists in religion, just look at a rabid fanboy. Were they taught by religion to hold such fanatical devotion to a game console or portable media player or brand name?
People do possess dogmas, and not just those taught by religion.
It is misconstrued that dogma only exists in religion, just look at a rabid fanboy. Were they taught by religion to hold such fanatical devotion to a game console or portable media player or brand name?
Of course people posses dogmas not taught by religions, I did say 'usually,' but they can be changed. Religions are made to not change over time.
Unfortunately society teaches fanboyism, though that too can be changed.
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the problem is, it seems to be human nature to have SOME form of dogma. we could get rid of religion, fanboyism, hell, even politics, and dogma would still exist.
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
the problem is, it seems to be human nature to have SOME form of dogma. we could get rid of religion, fanboyism, hell, even politics, and dogma would still exist.
There is no such thing as 'human nature.'
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yes, there is. we have natural predispositions like any other creature.
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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Anthropology, Sociology, and Psychology say otherwise.
Course, getting people to change their dogmatic beliefs does seem plausible, however, in execution it is closer to being nigh impossible to change them.
How many rabid dogma holding people have changed compared to the easily swayed new rabids created by a belief of the day?
yes, there is. we have natural predispositions like any other creature.
No, we don't, and neither do they.
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Anthropology, Sociology, and Psychology say otherwise.
What psychology/sociology are you referring to? Also, you're mixing disciplines there. Anthropology, and sociology to an extent, are sciences. Most schools of psychology are based on nothing but theories.
What people understand as 'nature' is really biological tendencies to have certain behavior patterns reinforced. That does not mean that any creature has a 'nature' that it is born with and has to adhere to.
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Psychology has to explain the behavior, and mind of an individual who has multiple personality disorder. If the scientist was only focused on the chemical firings of the brain it might just regulate the individual to medication for life instead of possibly correcting the problem in the person's cognitive functions.
You love your mentalism. Cogntive this and mind that. Where is the scientific proof that these things are actually there? Even the 'vast' field of neurology has very few things answered for certain.
There is very little 'psychological science' (outside of behavior analysis). What is scientific about the 'mind' or the 'unconscious' when there is little to no evidence to support those things? The little evidence that exists is weak at best. There's no reason to rely on overly mentalistic psychology.
There is a science of behavior, and it is very straightforward and relies only on data and functional analysis. Behaviorism/behavior analysis
edit- Heh. We're way off-topic. Thanks for bringing us back, Netrix.
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What psychology/sociology are you referring to? Also, you're mixing disciplines there. Anthropology, and sociology to an extent, are sciences. Most schools of psychology are based on nothing but theories.
Mixing the idea of psychological theory with psychological science there.
Psychology is a science as it has new theories that are explored through systematic, or scientific experiment. Like the other two sciences.
Granted it has to does have more theories than the other two sciences, but that would probably due to the fact that their are more unknowns than just sciences that rely on just noting behavior. Psychology has to explain the behavior, and mind of an individual who has multiple personality disorder. If the scientist was only focused on the chemical firings of the brain it might just regulate the individual to medication for life instead of possibly correcting the problem in the person's cognitive functions.
Common misconception is that psychology is not a science but just theory, that is philosophy not psychology.
Though psychiatry usually involves more science, it also has more medical experimentation.
Both serve to explore the human conscious, which is borderline science to begin with.
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What people understand as 'nature' is really biological tendencies to have certain behavior patterns reinforced. That does not mean that any creature has a 'nature' that it is born with and has to adhere to.
People do possess dogmas, and not just those taught by religion.
It is misconstrued that dogma only exists in religion, just look at a rabid fanboy. Were they taught by religion to hold such fanatical devotion to a game console or portable media player or brand name?
Why does that even matter? Whether people have dogmas from outside of religion or not, that does not take away from the fact that religions almost always impose dogmas on people.
Dogmas that people have from what society teaches is a separate issue entirely.
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Indeed it is, but the initial counterpoint was that the organized religions are not a huge problem to society. Whereas, Jesus (loveandhatejw) point was that the World is being more, and more run by religion.
The opposite trend is happening more. People are less about the old organized ones, and more about the religion of American Idol, Belief of the Day, or Political Stance of the Week.
Indeed it is, but the initial counterpoint was that the organized religions are not a huge problem to society. Whereas, Jesus (loveandhatejw) point was that the World is being more, and more run by religion.
The opposite trend is happening more. People are less about the old organized ones, and more about the religion of American Idol, Belief of the Day, or Political Stance of the Week.
Overall, I would have to agree. Of course there are areas that have a higher religious influence, but on average, religion is becoming less relevant.
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