You know, there are still those that believe the world is flat. To them, we're the stupid ones.
But whatever. I think I'm done in this thread.
You were done with this thread before you posted in it. Your 'relationship' is very strong, I'm sure.
They can believe whatever they like, as can you. That doesn't change the facts.
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I myself feel that I am a Deist, which to my knowledge is someone who believes in one of a higher power, but uses logic and reasoning to determine what is real.
Anyways, I think that many christians are in a way brainless. Many of the ones I have witnessed (the ones that are active church goers) go about their lives in a robotic manner, repeating the same things over and over, all in the name of God. They pretend to help people, but i've noticed that they are some of the most condescending unaccepting people i've ever met.
On the other hand... I think that they do accomplish good deeds, with charities and giving to the poor, whether they do it out of the goodness of their hearts or whether they just don't want to go to hell.
I think i'm answering the question on the main post... not exactly sure..
I think most people don't believe in Evolution because it doesn't satisfy some people because evolving from a single-celled organism, doesn't sound as eloquent as a big invisible man making humankind.
Roflmao... These debates have appeased me... Lol...
@ Spirotot:
I was talking about how Christians are generally assumed to disregaurd evolution, big bang, ect.
OH yeah btw, 63% of America still doesn't accept evolution... Athiest or not.
@ Red Sky:
Not every christian is a complete automaton. I personally am (Orthodox/Eastern) Christian, and the people that you see who act "in the name of God" are usually the Jehovah's Witness people, and they are complete nuts (at least the ones that walk around the neighborhood trying to convert people).
To the rest of you:
The church I belong to strongly believes in scientific evidence aka evolution is taken as a fact. The church merely believes in a different theory of panspermia where the was the intelligent force (God in this case) that caused the actions to occur.
@ Atrocious:
"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel 15:23
If that's true then as an anarchist I'm pretty much ****ed...
All in all this started a pretty funny discussion, thank you all for indulging me and getting horriby horribly off subject. Peace out.
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@Atrocious 1 Samuel 15:23 is talking about heresy among the Israelites, how they worshipped idols, In the whole context of the bible you will not find a verse about how the Christian or Jewish God hates people, but you will find verses of God hating sin.
If anyone no matter their personal biases or any condition does not believe in evolution that is their deal, The Theory of Evolution I find is quite credible in a micro sense, yet I disagree with macro evolution. Changes between species to adapt to their area or condition is a common occurence, yet on a large scale I have a hard time believing it is possible.
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Anarchy, in my opinion, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. It's beyond moronic.
It is not stupid to the people involved in an anarchy, but view anarchy as simply a transition phase, typically setting the foundation for an oligarchy
macro evo = micr evo just happening a lot more times. every step LOOKS like micro evo, but you pull back to see the macro.
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macro evo = micr evo just happening a lot more times. every step LOOKS like micro evo, but you pull back to see the macro.
Wrong, actually, the two are entirely two different classes. Microevolution is change within a species, which is documentable, observable science. Macroevolution is change from one species to another, which has never been observed and likely won't be observed, since the basic premise of macroevolution is that it takes millions of years to achieve. Pretty had to observe change that slow. And if it can't be observed, it can't be even scientifically proven. Granted, there may be other methods to prove it, but I've yet to see one reliable enough to come close to "proving" macroevolution. Honestly though, marcoevolution has a better chance of being proven in the religious arena than anywhere else.
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The way I see it is that if God used evolution, meaning the 7 days depicted in Genisis where He created the earth was over the span of thousands or millions of years or if God created the Earth in the literal sense it means no difference to me. I still believe God created the earth.
Micro evolution is easier for me to believe so if I had to pick a belief macro or micro, it would be Micro, I find micro is easier to believe, yet as a Christian I don't believe that I need to prove my case, that seems like a waste of time, I'd rather be a good steward of my blessings and try to treat others in the way I find Christ would find most fitting, though I am human and fail I still try.
Evolution doesnt factor into my philosophy because the current and the future is more important than dwelling on the past.
Evolution doesnt factor into my philosophy because the current and the future is more important than dwelling on the past.
That's quite a silly statement. Evolution is always occurring, now and in the future.
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We don't need no education!
We don't need no thought control,
No dark sarcasm in the classroom!
Teachers leave them kids alone,
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
So, according to you, you do not believe in the facts? Hm...
no. he is saying that they are not some unprovable, untestable thing he has put his faith in, but that they are well tested scientific theories.
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
So, according to you, you do not believe in the facts? Hm...
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no. he is saying that they are not some unprovable, untestable thing he has put his faith in, but that they are well tested scientific theories.
Mhmm.
I suppose I should have written, 'they are not strictly my beliefs, but proven facts.
Not everyone is as clever as End.
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
which has never been observed and likely won't be observed, since the basic premise of macroevolution is that it takes millions of years to achieve. Pretty had to observe change that slow.
Actually you are mistaken. Macroevolution is everpresent and is easily observable. In England, in areas were coal mine wastes are deposited, grasses have evolved in a relatively miniscule period of time, to survive in the heavy metal rich soil. Therefore, yes, macroevolution has been observed and to an extent proven.
Trogdor,
You are mistaken about Anarchy. Anarchy is not as much of a transitional phase in the establishment of an Oligarchy as it is merely, and perhaps the most ideal of political and governmental systems. You see, Anarachy in the true sense of the word, is closer to Democracy, as it places power in the hands of every individual equally, with no single person ruling or being chosen as leader, and all land and property belonging solely to the people. Also, in a sense there is no universal laws. Now, this would generally lead to chaos, however true anarchy is only possible in a Utopian world and society were no money exists, people work for mutual benefit, there are no laws.
