Opinions on Islam

[moyamoya]

i'm really curious about what you guys think about Islam, and muslims, and what image you guys get when you watch anything related to Islam... like on the news, or a documentary... i don't care what it is... you can hate it to death... i would've put a poll in, but there would be too many options... ( btw, this was sparked when an online person asked me "if you're a Muslim, how do you speak english?")

[Justananomaly]

I highly respect them and their ways (with the obvious exception of Muslim extremists) just like I do with people from any religion.

[ChurchedAtheist]

I respect their beliefs. almost every single antimuslim comment can be made of christianity.

'all muslims are america hating terrorists' - no more than all christians are all abortion clinic bombers.

'they have very mysogynistic views' - no worse than christianity over the centuries.


there are more, but im not awake yet. i'll have to post them later.

[Red Sky]

i respect muslims. the majority of muslims believe that the terroristic muslims are taking things to far. it's a small percent that are violent. but like it has been said, there are christian extremists all over the place (the KKK could even be considered one group) I think that all monotheistic religions, at the very core, are extremely similar, which explains why i cannot comprehend why people kill one another for their beliefs, or prosecute them, or torment them...

[Azu-nyan]

I have greater respect for Muslims than I do for other religions because even if I can't agree with their views, I can definitely agree with and admire how devoted they are to their beliefs and how well they all know them. Many Christians (at least Western Christians) really don't know what they believe, and some that do contradict the Bible, which is supposed to be the foundation for Christianity in the first place. >.>

[Space Toast]

Originally Posted by Locke

I have greater respect for Muslims than I do for other religions because even if I can't agree with their views, I can definitely agree with and admire how devoted they are to their beliefs and how well they all know them. Many Christians (at least Western Christians) really don't know what they believe, and some that do contradict the Bible, which is supposed to be the foundation for Christianity in the first place. >.>

This is how I feel.

[ChurchedAtheist]

Originally Posted by ZuneNerd

This is how I feel.

please try to add somthing more to the conversation when posting. this is serious discussion.

[Space Toast]

Yeah, I was trying to think of something more to say, But In all Locke summed it up fairly well.
Most people think of them as terrorists, all of them. but like you said the extremists are the only ones who go out of their way to do damage. But the sheer amount of devotion, and time spent practicing their faith is something to be respected.

[Bolt]

I agree with Locke too. I like to think of myself as tolerant towards all people.

I hate when people think one religion is superior to another. They're all getting towards the same thing, just they think of different people as the "one". Many people hate Islam because they try to keep their traditions while in the U.S. and there have been high-profile bombings. As a sad result, many people think that all Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority of Muslims despise those activities anyways. And it's not like only Muslims have done tons of killing. Anyone heard of the KKK?

[Red Sky]

hey, link. you used condone wrong. just so you know. condone means accepting

I mentioned the KKK in my post. They are a very christian-oriented group. They think that what they do is allowed under God. Of course, no one else thinks that way.

[Bolt]

Grazi

[Azu-nyan]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

hey, link. you used condone wrong. just so you know. condone means accepting

I mentioned the KKK in my post. They are a very christian-oriented group. They think that what they do is allowed under God. Of course, no one else thinks that way.

God, you're ignorant; the KKK was originally a fraternity of sorts, and they are as Christian oriented as Hitler. Both called on the name of God as justification for their action, and both condoned activities that were in no sense of the word Christian. Just because one calls upon the name of God does not mean that they are Christian, in fact, it even says that in the Bible to boot.

[Red Sky]

Locke, ignorant i am not. you're explanation just proved my point. period.

I'm saying that about the terroristic muslims. they justify their actions with allah, just as do the KKK.

[Azu-nyan]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

Locke, ignorant i am not. you're explanation just proved my point. period.

I'm saying that about the terroristic muslims. they justify their actions with allah, just as do the KKK.

Wrong again. The KKK and Muslim terrorists are completely different. Know why? Because Muslims extremists are Muslims, and KKK members aren't Christians. Muslims extremists follow the Koran more strictly than do many Muslims, who might skirt around more controversial passages. They take the strongest, most literal interpretation they can have. KKK members are Christians in name only, with a few flimsy misquoted verses used as "support," and little else. Their views are about as Biblically supported as the old-and long discarded-Mormon belief that people are black because they refused to help God before they were born, and that was some form of curse. Muslim extremists do take some liberties with their views, but they largely live by the letter of the Koran, far more than any real Christian does the Bible, let along the wishy-washy KKK'ers. There's no comparison between the two groups. Though I don't approve of killing people because they "have not yet realized that they are Muslim," I can strongly admire their sheer and sole devotion to their beliefs, such that they would willingly end their own lives if it meant even a chance at advancing God's work. This devotion is something long absent in Christianity, and in fact, many religions: to truly be faithful unto death. The KKK is a sad, watered down group of people just looking to put someone else down like a schoolyard bully. Were it not for the viciousness of their acts, the faith and devotion of Muslim extremists would be beautiful, an example of how people should be. People should be devoted to what they believe, should be willing to stake their life on it. The problem is that people today don't believe in anything, and drown in nothingness, lack of purpose.

[Bolt]

Wow. That's deep.

[Azu-nyan]

Originally Posted by Link

Wow. That's deep.

However, your comment was not.
Just messin' with ya.

[Red Sky]

locke, you fail to see my point. BOTH groups use religion to justify their actions, regardless of whether or not that's actually what they are. normal Muslims wouldn't pair themselves with those who seek jihad, just as a christian would not pair themselves with a KKK member. the point is that they use religion to support themselves. you really think that those Muslims seeking a jihad are supported in the Koran? they use 'a few flimsy misquoted verses used as "support," and little else', just to quote you.

[Azu-nyan]

Originally Posted by Red Sky

locke, you fail to see my point. BOTH groups use religion to justify their actions, regardless of whether or not that's actually what they are. normal Muslims wouldn't pair themselves with those who seek jihad, just as a christian would not pair themselves with a KKK member. the point is that they use religion to support themselves. you really think that those Muslims seeking a jihad are supported in the Koran? they use 'a few flimsy misquoted verses used as "support," and little else', just to quote you.

Wrong again again. Just because both use religion as an answer doesn't mean they have the same answer. The KKK uses it as an excuse, whereas it's a way of life for Muslim extremists. Their motivations and reasonings are as far as the bottom of the oceans to the tip of Mount Everest. Religion is a very broad topic, yet your simplification is the same as saying that McDonalds and a 5 star restaurant serve the same product just because both happen to serve meat. The qualities vary to such a degree that they really can't be compared by anything but the general category. The category "religion" is not as homogenous as you imply.

The aren't using religion as a mere excuse, that's been my point all along. Muslim extremists, in general, hold to religion, their god, the Koran as tightly as life itself, tighter, and seek to carry that out the best way they know how. The KKK merely uses Christianity as a support for their views, and fail at doing it. Even some ordinary Muslims, who would never seek violence themselves, are in support of the actions of Muslim extremists. However, you pretty much have to be a violent white supremecist yourself to support the actions of the KKK. Though both groups conduct terrible acts and use religion to one extent or another, the KKK is not focused on relgion as a reason, and the Muslim extremists do. If you were to talk to any Muslim, Muslim extremists in particular, they'd probably be able to recite the Koran on the spot, and their views on the passage in question. They probably know the Bible better than most Christians to boot.

[Red Sky]

that;s not really the point of what i was saying again... you keep failing to see it. my point is that those practicing Islam are not the only ones doing violent actions for their faith. I mean that we cannot prosecute all Muslims because they are related, by a religion, to their extremist counterparts. I was merely using the KKK as an example that uses religion (which it does, look at some KKK group meetings) to support its actions.

[SilentWalrus]

The KKK was formed as a religious group.
They disliked everyone besides white, protestant, anglosaxen males.
Their main beliefs are that in a literal sense, everyone that doesn't fit in that group fails.
Also, I think if you are any religion then Islam is the way to go.