how do we go about choosing the religions we treat with respect

dead jim · 03-08-2007, 08:09 AM

so, i'll be honest and say that i don't really get why there's a religion forum on this board. that is, i don't see what religion has to do with the zune. but, communities determine what it is that they find valuable, so, if the regular participants of zuneboards want this, i'll simply accept it.

with that out of the way, i'll get on to something i'm curious about, and it's something that has come up on the debate board repeatedly. i've noticed that when people talk about god, they're often (though not always) careful to point out that they're open to god taking on a number of forms, e.g. God, Allah, Jehovah, and a few others. but it seems that the forms a god is allowed to take is determined by the number of people who believe in such a god. for example, if someone was to show up talking about his believe in Zeus, it is unlikely anyone would take him seriously. even if they did think he seriously believed in olympian gods, it is unlikely they would take the belief itself seriously, if you get what i mean. it seems that they would be far less likely to treat that belief with respect than they would belief in Jehovah. even less respect would be afforded thor, less than that to some barely-known african hippopotamus river god, and even less to some god that was only worshiped by the person posting. that is, it looks like the respect afforded to a god or religion in general is dependent upon the number of people who currently believe in that god, and that is just weird. it's weird for this reason: if i believe in some god, say God, then it is the case that i must believe that all other gods are false gods. as such, i don't know why i would treat any of those gods with more respect than any other. i mean, they all false gods, so what do i care how many people have been led astray by some wrong religion? if i'm going to treat other gods with respect, it seems that i should treat them all equally, and, to be honest, i'm completely unclear why i would treat any god that i believed to be false with respect.
now, someone might attempt to say that it's the person that they're treating with respect, and not the god or religion, but that doesn't seem right. i think that anyone showing up here claiming to worship thor would not be afforded the same respect as someone claiming to worship Allah. even worse, if someone showed up claiming to worship Nocar, a god who had revealed himself only to that single person, it seems unlikely his belief would be respected much at all, and this is assuming that it was known that he was being truthful about his belief. as such, it doesn't seem it's the person that is respected, but the religion itself, and that respect is seems dependent upon the sheer number of believers.
this does not only apply to theists. atheists get in arguments with theists all the time, but only those they believe to worthy of debating, and this will be determined in large part on whether or not that person is a believer in a major religion's god. it is unlikely that most serious-minded people would bother to get into any significant debate over whether or not Nocar, the god of my backyard, really existed.
so, why this prejudice in favor of sheer numbers. any god you don't believe to exist is a false god, so why would anyone care about how many people were fooled as a determining factor for the respect given to the belief in that god?

putis · 03-08-2007, 08:22 AM

I was a bit confused as to why religion had it's own board as well. Not because it doesn't have to do with the Zune, but just because it was just a bit odd, but meh.

Since we (the staff) are currently in the process of downsizing the forums, this will become a user group eventually, and not a regular forum.

lpxxfaintxx · 03-08-2007, 03:47 PM

Yea, it's just in a "test-phase." See how much interest people have in it..

Napoleon Iven Quinnly · 03-08-2007, 03:52 PM

i think it is kinda interesting to be able to talk about religion and politics and zune on same forum, they dont say welcome to the social for nothing

dead jim · 03-08-2007, 04:30 PM

yea, but i don't think people are really that excited about the opportunity to discuss religion. for example, no one has responded to the relevant portion of this thread. that's fine, but it makes me wonder if religion is really the kind of thing people are excited to discuss. more than that, once the discussion on god's existence became serious on the debate board, it seemed very few people were interested in participating in that as well. i'm not complaining about any of that, i totally understand, but, again, how much discussion of religion is actually going to occur here? i'd be happy to discuss these sorts of issues (they're much more interesting to me than whether or not women are poor drivers, 9-11 conspiracies, or several of the other issues currently on the debate board), but i doubt many others are.

Dark616 · 03-12-2007, 07:46 AM

1. like lpx said, we are seeing if the board(that i suggested) has much intrest, and if not it will die

2.about the religion respect thing, I think the reason we wouldn't listen to the zeus guy is because its so minor a religion that it doesnt deserve respect, because the majorities decide standards.

rutger1413 · 03-12-2007, 07:51 AM

I say Scientology is garbage....mainly due to the fact that is was founded by a science fiction writer, probably as a joke that some morons took seriously.....Sorry just had to vent. Go ahead and flame me.

Dark616 · 03-12-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rutger1413

I say Scientology is garbage....mainly due to the fact that is was founded by a science fiction writer, probably as a joke that some morons took seriously.....Sorry just had to vent. Go ahead and flame me.

it wasn't even 'founded' by him was it? he wrote books and idiots took it literally, he didn't endorse it

dead jim · 03-12-2007, 01:49 PM

you guys kill me.

Dark616 · 03-12-2007, 02:15 PM

who...me??? couldn't be...

David · 03-12-2007, 02:50 PM

The media decides how we treat other's, we don't

dead jim · 03-12-2007, 05:04 PM

again...

rutger1413 · 03-13-2007, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock4christ

it wasn't even 'founded' by him was it? he wrote books and idiots took it literally, he didn't endorse it

Well it depends on how you look at it. From his perspective your correct. From Tom Cruise perspective, he is their founder.

Regardless its still bullsh@t.

David · 03-19-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock4christ

it wasn't even 'founded' by him was it? he wrote books and idiots took it literally, he didn't endorse it

if I remember right.... he did "find" it and he did endorse it, but people dont really base their religion on his books, they kinda just use him as a type of religious idol, they took the moral of his stories, and based their lifes on that Kinda like what Christians did with Jesus.

I still think that the media decides everything for us.

03-08-2007, 08:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
dead jim Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NOLA Posts: 183 Reputation: 23 $zB: 0 Donate	how do we go about choosing the religions we treat with respect so, i'll be honest and say that i don't really get why there's a religion forum on this board. that is, i don't see what religion has to do with the zune. but, communities determine what it is that they find valuable, so, if the regular participants of zuneboards want this, i'll simply accept it. with that out of the way, i'll get on to something i'm curious about, and it's something that has come up on the debate board repeatedly. i've noticed that when people talk about god, they're often (though not always) careful to point out that they're open to god taking on a number of forms, e.g. God, Allah, Jehovah, and a few others. but it seems that the forms a god is allowed to take is determined by the number of people who believe in such a god. for example, if someone was to show up talking about his believe in Zeus, it is unlikely anyone would take him seriously. even if they did think he seriously believed in olympian gods, it is unlikely they would take the belief itself seriously, if you get what i mean. it seems that they would be far less likely to treat that belief with respect than they would belief in Jehovah. even less respect would be afforded thor, less than that to some barely-known african hippopotamus river god, and even less to some god that was only worshiped by the person posting. that is, it looks like the respect afforded to a god or religion in general is dependent upon the number of people who currently believe in that god, and that is just weird. it's weird for this reason: if i believe in some god, say God, then it is the case that i must believe that all other gods are false gods. as such, i don't know why i would treat any of those gods with more respect than any other. i mean, they all false gods, so what do i care how many people have been led astray by some wrong religion? if i'm going to treat other gods with respect, it seems that i should treat them all equally, and, to be honest, i'm completely unclear why i would treat any god that i believed to be false with respect. now, someone might attempt to say that it's the person that they're treating with respect, and not the god or religion, but that doesn't seem right. i think that anyone showing up here claiming to worship thor would not be afforded the same respect as someone claiming to worship Allah. even worse, if someone showed up claiming to worship Nocar, a god who had revealed himself only to that single person, it seems unlikely his belief would be respected much at all, and this is assuming that it was known that he was being truthful about his belief. as such, it doesn't seem it's the person that is respected, but the religion itself, and that respect is seems dependent upon the sheer number of believers. this does not only apply to theists. atheists get in arguments with theists all the time, but only those they believe to worthy of debating, and this will be determined in large part on whether or not that person is a believer in a major religion's god. it is unlikely that most serious-minded people would bother to get into any significant debate over whether or not Nocar, the god of my backyard, really existed. so, why this prejudice in favor of sheer numbers. any god you don't believe to exist is a false god, so why would anyone care about how many people were fooled as a determining factor for the respect given to the belief in that god? __________________ "nitimur in vetitum" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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putis Stronger than dirt Administrator Zune Priest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sexyland Posts: 7,006 Reputation: 160 $zB: 3085 Donate	I was a bit confused as to why religion had it's own board as well. Not because it doesn't have to do with the Zune, but just because it was just a bit odd, but meh. Since we (the staff) are currently in the process of downsizing the forums, this will become a user group eventually, and not a regular forum. __________________ The aim of psychoanalysis is to relieve people of their neurotic unhappiness so that they can be normally unhappy. -Sigmund Freud

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lpxxfaintxx Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 5,778 Reputation: 182 $zB: 1998 Donate	Yea, it's just in a "test-phase." See how much interest people have in it.. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Napoleon Iven Quinnly Hacks and Mods Crew Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 630 Reputation: 15 $zB: 134 Donate	i think it is kinda interesting to be able to talk about religion and politics and zune on same forum, they dont say welcome to the social for nothing __________________ With all due respect, Napoleon IQ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-08-2007, 04:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
dead jim Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NOLA Posts: 183 Reputation: 23 $zB: 0 Donate	yea, but i don't think people are really that excited about the opportunity to discuss religion. for example, no one has responded to the relevant portion of this thread. that's fine, but it makes me wonder if religion is really the kind of thing people are excited to discuss. more than that, once the discussion on god's existence became serious on the debate board, it seemed very few people were interested in participating in that as well. i'm not complaining about any of that, i totally understand, but, again, how much discussion of religion is actually going to occur here? i'd be happy to discuss these sorts of issues (they're much more interesting to me than whether or not women are poor drivers, 9-11 conspiracies, or several of the other issues currently on the debate board), but i doubt many others are. __________________ "nitimur in vetitum" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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03-12-2007, 07:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
rutger1413 Jr. Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 46 Reputation: 10 $zB: 0 Donate	I say Scientology is garbage....mainly due to the fact that is was founded by a science fiction writer, probably as a joke that some morons took seriously.....Sorry just had to vent. Go ahead and flame me.

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dead jim Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NOLA Posts: 183 Reputation: 23 $zB: 0 Donate	you guys kill me. __________________ "nitimur in vetitum" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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dead jim Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NOLA Posts: 183 Reputation: 23 $zB: 0 Donate	again... __________________ "nitimur in vetitum" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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