let's say that you're a homosexual and you want to get married: then it matters.
let's say you get pregnant or you get someone pregnant, and the two of you want an abortion: then it matters.
let's say that you have some disease which is likely to be cured if stem cell research was allowed to flourish: then it matters.
let's say researchers believe they have developed a method of cloning human organs, but there is a current ban on doing any such thing because it is tantamount to acting like God, and you will die without getting a new kidney: then it matters.
let's say that you're on death row, and the newly elected governor is a catholic and, hence, opposed to capital punishment: then it matters.
let's say you live in an area ravaged by natural disaster such as new orleans, and christian organizations feel they are commanded by God to help such individuals: then it matters.
the list goes on and on. whether you realize it or not, you are affected daily by the belief in some god. islamic militancy, christian charity, protestant work ethic, all these things and more affect the world we all live in, and they all depend on some belief about god's existence. i'm telling you: it matters.
I don't want to spark a debate, I just personally disagree with your statement. Religion has no bearing on my decisions or my daily life. It used to be the definative guide to righteous decisions, for me... and then I realized that I was living my life by someone elses standards, that I didn't have any opinions of my own. I eventually left church, left God... and put them all behind me. It came as quite a shock to my family when they found out I'd learned myself away from religion.
In my opinion, the worst part is our government is ruled by dangerously boarderline religious zealots... they let their religion come before the good of society, they blend religion with government when it is explicitly clear in the Constitution that that is not acceptable. Anyone who disagrees with that fact disagrees with the Constitution, the government of the United States, and, by extention, freedom. History has proven, time and time again, that molding political ideologies after religious dogma is a dangerous habit. It always ends in tyranny. Even the Bible itself teaches people to not mix theology with politics.
I believe career politicians exploit the popular religious cults of our time and use them for personal gain. Let's not forget, they lie... most of them are devoid of a conscious. It is not the governments job to dictate morality, it is not the governments respocibility to protect us from our own decisions. Corruption runs deep in government, even deeper in religion. A lust for power is in all of us, but God intensifies this desire, and government provides the means to attain it.
What I'm saying is: the reason religion effects so many social issues is because our political leaders are disobeying the highest law estabilished by our country. The document that lets them have a job. When they disobey that, they should no longer be employed. Marriage is not a governmental thing, it is a religious thing. Abortion is a non-issue. The government has absolutely no right to prohibit stem cell research. Again, they're there to ensure we have freedom, they are not there to make life more complicated with prohibitions, rules, and zoning laws!
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i have a hard time reconciling these two statements:
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I don't want to spark a debate, I just personally disagree with your statement. Religion has no bearing on my decisions or my daily life.
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In my opinion, the worst part is... our government is ruled by dangerously boarderline religious people... they let their religion come before the good of society, they blend religion with government when it is explicitly clear in the Constitution that that is not acceptable. Anyone who disagrees with that fact disagrees with the Constitution, the government of the United States, and, by extention, freedom. History has proven, time and time again, that molding political ideologies with governing bodies is a dangerous habit. It always ends in tyranny. Even the Bible itself teaches people to not mix theology with politics.
these two statements seem in some way contradictory. that is, considering the second statement where you're concerned that certain religious types are in control of the government, and, i'm assuming, you think this is dangerous in that those religious types in the government have the ability to dramatically affect your life in a way you wouldn't desire, it looks like religion most certainly has a bearing on your daily life. the fact that you don't want such an affect is irrelevant. it still affects you, and that was my only point.
these two statements seem in some way contradictory.
Well, I dont see a major contradiction. I'm fearful of the potential havoc religion can wreck on our free society. I don't need stem cells, I don't want to have an abortion. Thus, religion isn't really effecting me.
Religion doesn't make my decisions for me... thats what I was saying in the first quote. I admit, I might have worded it wrong.
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you're concerned that certain religious types are in control of the government
It's not that I'm concerned about religion in control of the government. It's when people inject their political ideologies into government and make laws reflecting their own religious beliefs. Therein lies the threat... I don't care if we have a religious president, as long as he or she knows the difference between their God and our rights. As long as they don't use their power to force their religion upon me!
i'm guessing you don't fly or use a computer, either, since new laws affecting the way those things are treated have changed based upon the dangers from islamic militants who believe that god wants them to destroy the great satan that is the u.s. fine.
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i spent an entire 5 hrs on wikipedia looking at info about that and related stuff. its interesting.
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
i spent an entire 5 hrs on wikipedia looking at info about that and related stuff. its interesting.
hmmmm, yet you post about an hour after me, either you know of it before, or his noodly goodness has granted you time travel... please tell me it is the second one!
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
but you see, i looked a week ago and saw wikis for 2011, and it said that the war in Iran was the worst war EVER
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Hey what you got to lose: You believe in Christ, you go to heaven. You believe in Christ but it doesn't really happen, you don't go anywhere. You Don't believe and if it is all true then your spirit goes to hell.
I guess religion is something you have to accept and been since the beginning of mankind. The trials and tribulations that Jesus went through is so amazing that it has logic to it.
Hey what you got to lose: You believe in Christ, you go to heaven. You believe in Christ but it doesn't really happen, you don't go anywhere. You Don't believe and if it is all true then your spirit goes to hell.
I guess religion is something you have to accept and been since the beginning of mankind. The trials and tribulations that Jesus went through is so amazing that it has logic to it.
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i am lost by what you mean there
I went to wikipedia and the wikipedias were from the year 2011
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
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I guess religion is something you have to accept and been since the beginning of mankind. The trials and tribulations that Jesus went through is so amazing that it has logic to it.
i am sorry and i dont me to make fun but my Christianity for me is faith not logic and
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Hey what you got to lose: You believe in Christ
believe me christianity shouldnt be easy you have plenty to lose and again i mean not to offend in any way
