what are your religious views?

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by Gow616

Not you, no.

I should have added more clarification when I typed it.

The point was being addressed to:


(Italicized is grammar corrections).

I will edit my previous post so that it is made clear for future readers.

All right. Thank you for clarifying.

[carrman17]

I am LDS (Mormon). And, no, I don't have multiple wives, ride a horse and buggy, or have horns.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by carrman17

I am LDS (Mormon). And, no, I don't have multiple wives, ride a horse and buggy, or have horns.

Well that's no fun. >_> Couldn't you at least have a tail or a funny pitchfork?

I think most people on here are pretty reasonable when it comes to Mormons. We promise not to eat you or anything. Unless you become a n00blet, in which case we eat you regardless of your religion!

[Ultima]

Originally Posted by mjm1189

I'm an unwavering atheist. I think religion has done some good, but the hate/judgement/separation/repression, etc. it causes outweighs any good. I think that in a million years, if the human race is still around and, hopefully, most people have come to their senses and lose their "faith", it will be a better world, imo.

couldnt agree with you more

[Pokeyourheadoff]

Atheist...
Though I'm not going to say you're stupid for following a religion.
If you wish to spend time following a religion, I'm fine with it.

[Darth Drunk]

Open-Minded. Religion-Unbound

[Space Toast]

I have said it before, but I study religions, I like learning about them, But I am not faithful to a religion. I study philosophy as well.
But like Lacrosse I am not "bound" by Religion.

[Zune726]

I hear alot of people saying things like: tied to, bound to and several others. Not to mention all the things where they talk where "religion" is some boring thing where you are only getting judged, seperated, and hated for what you believe. I am not trying to be mean, but if you truly believe in what you, well believe in, then it should not make a difference what others say. If for an example that you believe in the Holy Bible as your "guide" for salvation, no matter what YOU believe to be essential for salvation, then you should read God's word and truly study it and then he will reveal to you what he is saying in His scriptures, if you are truly sincere in wanting to learn. I am not saying that you don't need a preacher, but if someone were to come up to you and say that you should believe that what they are saying is right just because they say it (no matter who they are) would you trust them? No, you would want some proof. As in any situation, not just having to do with our faith. This is why God gave us His Words, to help us better understand all of his ways and ways that we should be living. Once you get the gain and believe the knowledge that there is A God and that you do need to be saved, then you can start building on that knowledge.

Hopefully I did not go off to far, but there are way to many people that need to understand this, ( I do not hate, or even not like someone because they do not believe in God, I pray for them and continue to be there friend no matter what they believe or do not believe) because people still need to be saved.

Comments anyone?
Remember I am not pushing anything on anybody, nor am I directing this to anyone.

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by Zune726

if someone were to come up to you and say that you should believe that what they are saying is right just because they say it (no matter who they are) would you trust them? No, you would want some proof.

Unfortunately, proof can not be provided, so I suppose that is a lost cause.

[Zune726]

You are right about one thing you said. This is a lost cause, even though there is proof, you just don't wont to believe it as it. Correct me if I am wrong, but even if faced with facts, you probably would reject it anyways. So there is no use trying to convince you ( I am talking to you only because you were the only one that replied). If you really want to learn I will continue, but if not there is not going to be any use in talking right now. REMEMBER I DO NOT, NOT LIKE SOMEONE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE.
Zune726

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by Zune726

You are right about one thing you said. This is a lost cause, even though there is proof, you just don't wont to believe it as it. Correct me if I am wrong, but even if faced with facts, you probably would reject it anyways. So there is no use trying to convince you ( I am talking to you only because you were the only one that replied). If you really want to learn I will continue, but if not there is not going to be any use in talking right now. REMEMBER I DO NOT, NOT LIKE SOMEONE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE.
Zune726

It would be interesting to see such proof.

However, there is more proof against religion than there is for it, even though you just do not want to believe it.

The facts are against you, even though you would not admit it.

[Zune726]

I am not going any further with this because I have already said it if you do not want to learn and believe you won't. If I was having a conversation with someone who really wanted to understand, I would give all the proof you needed to know that there is a God and you need to be saved. Until it comes to that, why waste my time.

Oh, I was looking at your sig and thought there might be the problem.

[David]

something I hear a lot is...

If Christians are wrong, nothing happens

If everyone else is wrong, they go to hell...

Well, if Christians are wrong and say... Muslims are right, Then Christians go to hell for following Jesus, who (if Christians were wrong) would be a false idol.

Anyway... I have no problem with religion. But I really have a problem with evangelical people. I hate those sons of bitches...

[Netrix]

Originally Posted by Zune726

I am not going any further with this because I have already said it if you do not want to learn and believe you won't. If I was having a conversation with someone who really wanted to understand, I would give all the proof you needed to know that there is a God and you need to be saved. Until it comes to that, why waste my time.

Oh, I was looking at your sig and thought there might be the problem.

Then I shall say the same thing. I would give you all the proof you needed to know that there is not a God, but since you do not want to learn and understand, I will not waste my time telling you.

Claiming that you could do something is utterly useless when you back down and say that it would be a waste of time to do such when someone asks you to do it.

I learn and understand all the time. That does not mean that I have to believe whatever someone tells me, even if that person claims that whatever they are saying is fact or proof. I guarantee you that your 'facts' are either 'miracles' that people claim to have happened, or verses from the Bible. Neither are sufficient to justify the existence of a higher being, with the former simply being phenomena, and the latter being a compilation of historical fiction written by several people.

If you happen to use the "Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God by Peter Kreeft" as 'proof', do not even bother. That is a disgrace to philosophy.

Is the quote is my signature a problem? It just so happens that I do not embrace ignorance. I suppose that would be a big problem, especially if you wanted to convince me that there is a God.

As with David, I have no problem with religion itself. What I do not like is when people try to push their religion on other people, or act like the people who are educated and use logic to determine that there is not a god are being unreasonable and ignorant.

[Locke]

Alright people calm down, calm down, it's not the end of the world here. Yet. Anyway, Zune726? If you want to stand a chance against Netrix here, you'd better have some damned good evidence or he's just gonna rip you apart; he's not a guy to trifle with idly. But as with any view I'd say this this principle really applies:

Originally Posted by Locke

I get comments like this all time:

And personally, I think it's ridiculous. Give me real proof, outside of *insert text/commonly held belief/science associated to a specific belief* that any belief is real. Truth is faiths of any sort, be they Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Secular Humanist, etc. CAN'T be proven. That's the nature of a belief, of a worldview. And yes, everyone believes in something, even if their something is "nothing," like Secular Humanists claim. It's still a belief, and still can't be proven, often even within the belief, let alone from external evidence. Evolutionary science isn't science because science, as a method, can only study what is, not what was, and evolution happens too slowly to be studied, at least, not before a new theory takes its place. The Bible is more or less airtight from the inside because seeming contradictions are explained as "things no man can properly understand." Seeming contradictions in Secular Humanism are explained as "things we do not yet understand."

Everyone has a way of rationalizing the problems in their respective faiths. It all comes down to what you believe, and why you picked that over all other beliefs; beyond that, proof is of little value. Once you've found a reason that works for you, there is little that can be done to change that. My personal belief is that Jesus is God, and that he is the only path to Heaven. I believe that because I think that out of all the faiths I know, Christianity has the most explainable contradictions, and in general seems to be the one that would work best overall. And there's not a damn thing you could ever do to change that, because my reasoning is what matters to me. The same goes for you; you believe in what you believe because the reasons make sense to you, and there's not a damn thing I can do to make you believe otherwise. Can't we just leave it at that?

All people see the world from their perspective. It's how we're made, because our scope of observation is limited. There are many people who hold to many different beliefs. There is no absolute way to prove one view or another. We all have reasons for holding our own view, but those reasons matter only to us, and perhaps other like-minded people. Consequently, it is pointless to try to make others believe what we believe, because it won't happen. It is better to live out our lives the way we believe we ought to, and let people come to their own conclusions based on that.

Originally Posted by David

something I hear a lot is...

If Christians are wrong, nothing happens

If everyone else is wrong, they go to hell...

Well, if Christians are wrong and say... Muslims are right, Then Christians go to hell for following Jesus, who (if Christians were wrong) would be a false idol.

Anyway... I have no problem with religion. But I really have a problem with evangelical people. I hate those sons of bitches...

Well, that's the thing about Christianity: they are one of the few religions in which you have to follow their savior explicitly to be saved. I could kill millions of innocent Muslims and descrate Mecca and still go to Heaven if God so wished it, because the god of Islam has truly unlimited free will and can do anything he wants even if it violates his character. Similarly, he could send someone as devout as Muhammad himself to Hell just because he wanted to. That god doesn't play by the rules. If say, Hinduism was correct, all I'd have to do really is be good and hope to get reincarnated higher up in the chain. Again, Christianity is one of the few completely exclusive religions where you have to be a follower explicitly to be saved.