Couple more questions involving other intelligent beings and the infamous "gay gene"

[BigMakk]

I would like to know your guys' thoughts on these topics involving religion.

THESE ARE ALL HYPOTHETICALS, SO DON'T SAY "IT WON'T HAPPEN."

What would happen to religion if a "gay gene" was discovered, since homosexuality is not accepted by god, but the people who are homosexual can't help it since it is genetic?

What would happen to religion if another intelligent life (the beings are able to understand english) was discovered and they came to earth. They are not related to humans and have totally different genetics. Lets also put in another factor: they have an average IQ of 350, which is greatly higher than human average of 100.
Since god created humans under his own image and so one could say we are pretty much the most important, the question arises: how could we be if there are beings smarter than us, and who would be able to tell them that they can't go to "our heaven"?

[Gow616]

The first question was presented in the play Twilight of the Golds. It was also made into a film with Brendan Fraser.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/

The premise of the play is that they discover a gay gene, David Gold (Brendan Fraser) is a the gay brother of the girl pregnant with the baby that has the newly discovered gay gene. It goes back and forth between the family and the problem. Pretty good film in my opinion. Pick it up and see if it sheds some light on your philosophical quandary.

As for the second one, religion can adapt and change it is not as concrete as some people think. It has adapted to take in many people that it would have never taken in before and if any alien species such as the one described were introduced into the mix. The religions would eventually incorporate the aliens into it OR the alien religion would incorporate the humans into it.

Give me slack instead of incorporation though.

[EndUnknown]

1. gay gene would be called a "work of satan" or a "sign of the godlessness of our society"

2. They would be classified as very intelligent "animals" or, the argument would be made "It doesn't say we are THE ONLY beings created in Gods image" (validity of such WOULD be debated)

[argondey]

the problem with the gay gene is that we have more gay people now than ever, that would not work well with genes as a "gay" gene as such would be very hard to pass on, remember, adoption is not genetics and sperm donors havent been around forever. as for the aliens, they will probably already know which religon "if any" is true. (runs into basement will foil hat)

[SilentWalrus]

Also, I think people choose to be gay.
I have seen a REALLY GAY like 3 year old kid. I was scared.

[HipHopScribe]

Originally Posted by argondey

the problem with the gay gene is that we have more gay people now than ever, that would not work well with genes as a "gay" gene as such would be very hard to pass on, remember, adoption is not genetics and sperm donors havent been around forever. as for the aliens, they will probably already know which religon "if any" is true. (runs into basement will foil hat)

Obviously we have more gay now than ever, since we have more people now that ever. Probabaly, you're saying we have a higher proportion of gay people now than ever, which I'd like some kind of proof for. As for passing on a "gay gene" if it existed, you wouldn't have to be gay to do so. From what I've read, however, there likely wouldn't be a single "gay gene".

As for the original question of the thread, when science is inconvenient for religion, they simply don't accept it. Since the tried and true methods of threats, torture, and murder aren't in vogue, it would probably be a mix of ignoring the finding, making up psuedoscientific theories to contradict the real science, accusing scientists of falsifying the findings because they hate religion, or just saying science is wrong.

[BigMakk]

Originally Posted by Dark616

1. gay gene would be called a "work of satan" or a "sign of the godlessness of our society"

2. They would be classified as very intelligent "animals" or, the argument would be made "It doesn't say we are THE ONLY beings created in Gods image" (validity of such WOULD be debated)

"Very intelligent 'animals'"... I don't think that would go over with them well, conskidering (quote me if I'm wrong) animals were created for humans

Also, If the only way to reverse the gay gene was through gene splicing, would this go against god? And that would be terrible if "satan" was able to go so far as to completelylock a person from heaven through this method.

[EndUnknown]

Originally Posted by BigMakk

And that would be terrible if "satan" was able to go so far as to completelylock a person from heaven through this method.

you assume being gay automatically = no heaven

this is not so. gay sex is forbidden, not being gay. you just couldn't have sex. at least that is what I believe. I liken it to saying an alcoholic wont reach heaven even though they accept christ and try as hard as they can to quit(and occasionally fail, but truly feel bed for it)

[argondey]

hehe, id like to see someone pull off being gay without commiting gay acts, idk, but uhh i figure it could screw somebody up pretty bad, being a way but not being able to live that way because they think they will go to hell. would be confusing.

[HipHopScribe]

Originally Posted by argondey

hehe, id like to see someone pull off being gay without commiting gay acts, idk, but uhh i figure it could screw somebody up pretty bad, being a way but not being able to live that way because they think they will go to hell. would be confusing.

Many people do just that, suppress their homosexual feelings and live a "straight" life, even getting married and having kids, due to social/religious pressure. And surely it is a very unhealthy way to live psycologically.

[Gow616]

Originally Posted by HipHopScribe

Many people do just that, suppress their homosexual feelings and live a "straight" life, even getting married and having kids, due to social/religious pressure. And surely it is a very unhealthy way to live psychologically.

It could also happen the other way around.

In the case of David Bowie, he was pressured by culture to be a bisexual and had to be a closet heterosexual. This is now known due to him coming out and stating he is a closet heterosexual.

[BobtheWalrus]

I personally think that people, chose to be gay, belive they are gay, etc. because of their own choices or the environment they grew up in. Kinda like a serial killer. Not saying gay people are serial killers, but that it involves the same thought evolution

If a gay gene was discovered, then it would just be another way of saying that man is evil.

How can there be a gay gene, because gay people can't normally reproduce

There are more gay people today then ever before because
1) There are more people in the world
2) There is more toleration towards people and their ways

[HipHopScribe]

Originally Posted by BobtheWalrus

How can there be a gay gene, because gay people can't normally reproduce

People pass on genes for traits they don't exhibit, you wouldn't have to be gay to pass on the gene.

[BigMakk]

Originally Posted by BobtheWalrus

How can there be a gay gene, because gay people can't normally reproduce

Wikipedia-
* A Robertsonian translocation in either partner may cause recurrent spontaneous abortions or complete infertility.

This is a genetic factor and it may cause infertility. I don't know if this is a direct counterargument though because it is not a genetic defect that directly causes infertility, but it is a start.

Anyone know if there is a genetic deformation that causes infertility?

[HB99]

Since we're talking hypotheticals...I'm just throwing these out there...

If there was a "gay gene"...and there is a God...then God made "gays" gay...how can God be wrong??? If God can't be wrong, then that makes the Bible wrong, right? Or is it just interpretation?

A comment was made earlier that there are more gays now. I don't think so..they;re just out in the open. There's probably just about the same percentage as there was 3000 years ago.

Personally, I think we made God in our own image...we gave him a throne to sit on, somebody is on his left and right side...etc.

Does having anal sex (done to you) make you gay? Even if it were forced upon you? It was a "gay act". Noah was butt****ed by his son after the ark landed...was he gay?

Where did Cain and Abel's wives come from? Some researchers say they had twin sisters. Then God told them to switch sisters for wives. Problem was Cain liked his sister more...could this be the real reason why Cain killed his brother? Who knows?? I don't.

Was Lilith Adams' first wife? Who really cares?

All Christian priests had wives up to the time of St. Augustine. He's the one that recommended priests don't marry...since his whoring days were over and he thought it wrong...so, did homosexuality thrive after that decision was adopted by the Church? Seems to me if they had continued to marry there would be a lot of happier priests now.

That's enough of my ponderables for the evening...

[BobtheWalrus]

Originally Posted by HipHopScribe

People pass on genes for traits they don't exhibit, you wouldn't have to be gay to pass on the gene.

But how could you get in the first place? There wouldn't be anyone in your ancestry gay?

If there are aliens smarter than humans, then two points could be made

1) Every religion that says that God made humans the image of himself, would begin to make less sense than The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Assuming that God modeled the smartest creatures after himself

2) Or that God modeled humans after himself because they are the most caring, loving, etc. Because people who are generally super geniuses, tend to lose touch with those feelings

[HipHopScribe]

Originally Posted by BobtheWalrus

But how could you get in the first place? There wouldn't be anyone in your ancestry gay?

I'm not sure, I'm not a geneticist, but there is homosexuality in other animals, so I guess somewhere back along the evolutionary line, it developed at some point. I know some kinds of animals can change their sex, maybe its some sort of remnant variation of that.

[BobtheWalrus]

Originally Posted by HipHopScribe

I'm not sure, I'm not a geneticist, but there is homosexuality in other animals, so I guess somewhere back along the evolutionary line, it developed at some point. I know some kinds of animals can change their sex, maybe its some sort of remnant variation of that.

So it's kinda like cancer?

With a mutated gene?

I guess that makes sense