Is anyone here Catholic?

[Beausiph]

I was just wondering if anyone else on the board happened to be catholic. If your not, i'll freely answer any questions you have.

[wyckedcombo17]

im catholic

[Beausiph]

nice

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Beausiph

I was just wondering if anyone else on the board happened to be catholic. If your not, i'll freely answer any questions you have.

OK... Why is there so much emphasis on the Virgin Mary? Sure she gave birth to Christ but it seems at times she is held in higher regards. Also how can the Vatican and ultimately the Pope decide what is a sin and what isn't? The Vatican just released additional deadly sins back in March or April stating that Drug Dealing, Harming The Environment, The Obscenely Rich (i.e. The Vatican), and Genetic Manipulation. Where do these "sins" come from? I would think that if these were indeed legitimate sins they would have been included in the Bible, no?

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

OK... Why is there so much emphasis on the Virgin Mary? Sure she gave birth to Christ but it seems at times she is held in higher regards. Also how can the Vatican and ultimately the Pope decide what is a sin and what isn't? The Vatican just released additional deadly sins back in March or April stating that Drug Dealing, Harming The Environment, The Obscenely Rich (i.e. The Vatican), and Genetic Manipulation. Where do these "sins" come from? I would think that if these were indeed legitimate sins they would have been included in the Bible, no?

It sounds like The Vatican trying to stay with the times. Genetic Manipulation sounds so funny when you say it with the original Seven Sins. They should all get off and stop trying to tell me how to live. I wander how much Environmental harm the Church has been responsible for.Hmmm come to think of it aren't Bibles printed on ummmm what is it called?.... Oh yes paper......now doesn't paper come from.... Trees?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Weesnaw

It sounds like The Vatican trying to stay with the times. Genetic Manipulation sounds so funny when you say it with the original Seven Sins. They should all get off and stop trying to tell me how to live. I wander how much Environmental harm the Church has been responsible for.Hmmm come to think of it aren't Bibles printed on ummmm what is it called?.... Oh yes paper......now doesn't paper come from.... Trees?

Very true.. and It's the most printed book in the world...Seems that the Church should lead by example...

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

Very true.. and It's the most printed book in the world...Seems that the Church should lead by example...

With them its 'Do as I say not as I Do'. Sure glad I don't listen to anything they say.

[BobtheWalrus]

I'm Catholic

[Beausiph]

Well......i wouldn't say i agree completely with the catholic church, but i do agree with many ideas. So In Catholicism we put so much emphasis on the virgin Mary because she is the mother of Christ. and the only completely mortal human to be sin free.

And exactly like posted before, the Vatican is trying to stay up with the times. things that weren't around when Jesus was.

and it is a fact that the bible is the most printed book in the world, but many are not supported by the catholic church, especially the King James Version, and King James Version 2.

[icecavern]

I'm not Catholic (or really Christian for that matter) but of all of Christianity, Catholicism is my favorite denomination. What with all the sacraments and ornamentation. I just love all the symbolism and history behind it.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Beausiph

Well......i wouldn't say i agree completely with the catholic church, but i do agree with many ideas. So In Catholicism we put so much emphasis on the virgin Mary because she is the mother of Christ. and the only completely mortal human to be sin free.

And exactly like posted before, the Vatican is trying to stay up with the times. things that weren't around when Jesus was.

and it is a fact that the bible is the most printed book in the world, but many are not supported by the catholic church, especially the King James Version, and King James Version 2.

You still didn't answer my question...

Who is the pope to decide what is a sin and what isn't. It's no up to man to determine what actions will lead to damnantion. This is something that only God can do. So it's either A: The Pope is full of **** and just making **** up as he goes along of B:He has a God complex.

and for the records... Mary was not sin free... she was a human being just as the rest of us and was born with the original sin just like the rest of us... while she may have asked for forgiveneness and been forgiven, she was not sin free.

[Beausiph]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

You still didn't answer my question...

Who is the pope to decide what is a sin and what isn't. It's no up to man to determine what actions will lead to damnantion. This is something that only God can do. So it's either A: The Pope is full of **** and just making **** up as he goes along of B:He has a God complex.

and for the records... Mary was not sin free... she was a human being just as the rest of us and was born with the original sin just like the rest of us... while she may have asked for forgiveneness and been forgiven, she was not sin free.

Well according to the catholic church, God speaks to the People through the Pope. so it is essentially God deciding what is a sin and what isn't. The Pope is infallible when speaking on religious matters

although i do agree with you, according to the bible the Virgin Mary was the only Mortal to be sin free.

[Locke]

Though none of Mary's sin is recorded, such as famous examples of the sin of David or Noah, that doesn't make her special. There were other Biblical figures not to have their sins mentioned, but were sinners nonetheless; Daniel would be the most recognizable of these. Mary was mortal, and she was not sin free, because all humans have original sin; the only human who could possibly not have sin would be one who was created without sin. Jesus was formed in Mary, but it was not by any of Mary's doing, she was merely a vessel for Jesus to be born in to be considered "human." That's why Jesus was born without sin, yet everyone else is. Oh, and that whole thing about Jesus being God, and how no one else is either.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Beausiph

Well according to the catholic church, God speaks to the People through the Pope. so it is essentially God deciding what is a sin and what isn't. The Pope is infallible when speaking on religious matters

although i do agree with you, according to the bible the Virgin Mary was the only Mortal to be sin free.

Do you actually believe this? The Pope is decided by a group of people not by God. So does God just automatically agree with the decisions made by these clergymen? Do you not realize how ridiculous this sonds?

Also does it mention, explicitly, in the Bible that Mary was free of sin or is it like Locke suggested where there is just no mention of Mary's sins. I'll admit, I have not read the entire Bible, but I've read 85-90% of it including the Apocrypha and I don't rememeber a mention of Mary's perfection. Can you provide a citation?

[EndUnknown]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

Do you actually believe this? The Pope is decided by a group of people not by God. So does God just automatically agree with the decisions made by these clergymen? Do you not realize how ridiculous this sonds?

Also does it mention, explicitly, in the Bible that Mary was free of sin or is it like Locke suggested where there is just no mention of Mary's sins. I'll admit, I have not read the entire Bible, but I've read 85-90% of it including the Apocrypha and I don't rememeber a mention of Mary's perfection. Can you provide a citation?

I'm pretty sure that's just part of the catholic traditions, like Lent, but I've never read the Catholic books(Tobit, Judith, 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Book of Wisdom, Book of Sirach, and the Book of Baruch) so it may be in there

[Pierce28]

I used to be until it turned from a place of worship to a soap opera.

[Beausiph]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

Do you actually believe this? The Pope is decided by a group of people not by God. So does God just automatically agree with the decisions made by these clergymen? Do you not realize how ridiculous this sonds?

Also does it mention, explicitly, in the Bible that Mary was free of sin or is it like Locke suggested where there is just no mention of Mary's sins. I'll admit, I have not read the entire Bible, but I've read 85-90% of it including the Apocrypha and I don't rememeber a mention of Mary's perfection. Can you provide a citation?

The Immaculate Conception is, according to Roman Catholic dogma, the conception of Mary, the mother of Jesus without any stain of original sin, in her mother's womb: the dogma thus says that, from the first moment of her existence, she was preserved by God from the lack of sanctifying grace that afflicts mankind, and that she was instead filled with divine grace. It is further believed that she lived a life completely free from sin.[[1] in the words of Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis , "she was free from any personal or hereditary sin" [2] Her immaculate conception in the womb of her mother, by normal sexual intercourse (Christian tradition identifies her parents as Sts. Joachim and Anne), should not be confused with the doctrine of the virginal conception of her son Jesus. straight from Wikipedia.


although it is a fact that the pope is elected from the other cardinals, he is inspired by the holy spirit.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Beausiph

The Immaculate Conception is, according to Roman Catholic dogma, the conception of Mary, the mother of Jesus without any stain of original sin, in her mother's womb: the dogma thus says that, from the first moment of her existence, she was preserved by God from the lack of sanctifying grace that afflicts mankind, and that she was instead filled with divine grace. It is further believed that she lived a life completely free from sin.[[1] in the words of Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis , "she was free from any personal or hereditary sin" [2] Her immaculate conception in the womb of her mother, by normal sexual intercourse (Christian tradition identifies her parents as Sts. Joachim and Anne), should not be confused with the doctrine of the virginal conception of her son Jesus. straight from Wikipedia.

Biblical citiations? Are there any?


although it is a fact that the pope is elected from the other cardinals, he is inspired by the holy spirit.

Charles Manson told his followers that he was able to speak with God. So did David Koresh and Pyotr Kuznetsov. What makes the Pope so special that his claims are true?