Atheist Hate

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Originally Posted by ChrisV1

Wow what a completely wrong accusation. You can go back under your bridge now.



I don't think you can generalize any religion or theory followers for being mad at another. It is an overwhelming issue and some people are too immature to handle it. I have seen Christians trying to convert people to the point that it was verbal assault, and I have seen some Atheist call anyone of religion an idiot and using other shameful words for having beliefs. Some people need to grow up and let people live with their views. A well-mannered debate is perfectly fine but hate should not be exhibited by anybody.

well said. +rep

[ChrisV1]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

It's not completely wrong. A majority of atheist know more about religion than religious people do. Most Christians, around here at least, use Christianity for self-glorifying causes, and then they go get drunk and have sex with everyone, way to set an example. Then there are some who really do strongly believe, I don't go up to them and tell them their stupid or idiotic, everyone has a right to an opinion. I think I'm right, they think they're right. It's a pointless argument, so I don't talk about religion at school. Now I have nothing to worry about since I graduated last week. I know a lot more about religion than most of the people who I went to high school with anyways, but there are some who know more than I do, but there are some things I still don't get.
Also, I can think of someone on this board who probably knows more about religion than you do or anyone else, and he's atheist. floorpuncher, he's very educated in this curriculum.

Most Christians don't use Christianity for self-glorifying causes, that is a huge overstatement. And just because you know a lot about Christianity and you are an atheist doesn't mean your correct. There are many branches of Christianity and some people even formulate their own ideas off of it. And once again, no discredit to floorpuncher or anything but you don't know the extent of my or anyone else's knowledge of religion on these boards so stop thinking you do.

[Hostile]

There is also so many degrees to religion. Every single religion has it's extremists, and extremists are the ones that make the whole religion look bad. Extremists are the ones who are willing to insult people to convert them. Extremists are the ones who kill people because they are not from their religion. Extremists are the atheists that call everyone that believes stupid.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by ChrisV1

Most Christians don't use Christianity for self-glorifying causes, that is a huge overstatement. And just because you know a lot about Christianity and you are an atheist doesn't mean your correct. There are many branches of Christianity and some people even formulate their own ideas off of it. And once again, no discredit to floorpuncher or anything but you don't know the extent of my or anyone else's knowledge of religion on these boards so stop thinking you do.

Why is your text so big? It's annoying.
Just because your text is big, doesn't mean you're right.
Read what I posted. I didn't say I was right, I said "I think I'm right". Both sides are right in an argument about religion because no one wants to hear the other's opinion, but I've delivered from both end. So I know just about everything you're going to say already. I also said the Christians around here. I doubt you're in north west Alabama. So you don't know about this area. This argument is just going to go in circles. We can argue about it for hours. I don't care if we do or don't.

[Darth Camel]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Why is your text so big? It's annoying.
Just because your text is big, doesn't mean you're right.
Read what I posted. I didn't say I was right, I said "I think I'm right". Both sides are right in an argument about religion because no one wants to hear the other's opinion, but I've delivered from both end. So I know just about everything you're going to say already. I also said the Christians around here. I doubt you're in north west Alabama. So you don't know about this area. This argument is just going to go in circles. We can argue about it for hours. I don't care if we do or don't.

Actually Atrocious, that guy always uses big text, I believe. I've seen him do it many times before.

[ChrisV1]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Why is your text so big? It's annoying.
Just because your text is big, doesn't mean you're right.
Read what I posted. I didn't say I was right, I said "I think I'm right". Both sides are right in an argument about religion because no one wants to hear the other's opinion, but I've delivered from both end. So I know just about everything you're going to say already. I also said the Christians around here. I doubt you're in north west Alabama. So you don't know about this area. This argument is just going to go in circles. We can argue about it for hours. I don't care if we do or don't.

The size of my text is irrelevant to this discussion.

I didn't say you think you were right either. I simply meant that in your post it indicated that just because a person has knowledge about a certain sect of Christianity and is an atheist it makes them more intelligent or right than a religious person with less knowledge of that sect, which is untrue because there are many forms of Christianity.

[Gow616]

Originally Posted by Darth Camel

Actually Atrocious, that guy always uses big text, I believe. I've seen him do it many times before.

Focus should be on debate not size of text alias stay on topic please.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by ChrisV1

The size of my text is irrelevant to this discussion.

I didn't say you think you were right either. I simply meant that in your post it indicated that just because a person has knowledge about a certain sect of Christianity and is an atheist it makes them more intelligent or right than a religious person with less knowledge of that sect, which is untrue because there are many forms of Christianity.

Resizing your text is annoying.

I know you didn't say that, because I said it. Also, I said "religion", I said Christians around here act like blah blah blah. You are implying that I'm only talking about Christianity when I'm not doing that either, just because I mentioned Christianity, you may be thinking that's all I'm talking about. You are voiding out all the other religions.

If I were religious, I would be Pastafarian. Because the concept of a god is ridiculous, so might as well make it a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's perfect.

[ChrisV1]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Resizing your text is annoying.

I know you didn't say that, because I said it. Also, I said "religion", I said Christians around here act like blah blah blah. You are implying that I'm only talking about Christianity when I'm not doing that either, just because I mentioned Christianity, you may be thinking that's all I'm talking about. You are voiding out all the other religions.

If I were religious, I would be Pastafarian. Because the concept of a god is ridiculous, so might as well make it a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's perfect.

More Believable than a single celled organism that came from nothing in a Universe that exploded from nothing.

See how easy that was? Now stop being a little troll and talk about the topic which is the treatment of Atheists by Christians there are other threads for the discussion of Evolution vs. Intelligent Design....

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by ChrisV1

More Believable than a single celled organism that came from nothing in a Universe that exploded from nothing.

See how easy that was? Now stop being a little troll and talk about the topic which is the treatment of Atheists by Christians there are other threads for the discussion of Evolution vs. Intelligent Design....

Not really.
Also, You started it. I merely voiced my thoughts. You challenged me, therefore you started it. Don't act as if I started it, you challenging me started it.

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Atrocious, grow up and stop whining about his text or I will report you. Keep posts on the topic expressed in the first post, or create a new thread.

[Rocky32189]

Originally Posted by ChrisV1

[size="1"]More Believable than a single celled organism that came from nothing in a Universe that exploded from nothing.

You cannot use that argument to justify religious beliefs. I can say the same thing about religion. How could God come from nothing?

[ChrisV1]

Originally Posted by Rocky32189

You cannot use that argument to justify religious beliefs. I can say the same thing about religion. How could God come from nothing?

I'm not trying to argue anything. But If you believe in Intelligent Design God is eternal and has always been here. In evolution's theory it started out with a single celled organsim, but how did it get there? The beginning of the life and the world defies scientific principal, which in turn can only be answerable by Intelligent Design or a superior being.

But just to try to stay on topic, do you guys believe that Atheists or Religious get treated worse in modern times?

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by ChrisV1

I'm not trying to argue anything. But If you believe in Intelligent Design God is eternal and has always been here. In evolution's theory it started out with a single celled organsim, but how did it get there? The beginning of the life and the world defies scientific principal, which in turn can only be answerable by Intelligent Design or a superior being.

But just to try to stay on topic, do you guys believe that Atheists or Religious get treated worse in modern times?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

"Miller-Urey experiment (or Urey-Miller experiment) was an experiment that simulated hypothetical conditions present on the early Earth and tested for the occurrence of chemical evolution. Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors."

"The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3) and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected together in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle.

At the end of one week of continuous operation Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10-15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids, including 2-3 of the 22 that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. Nucleic acids (DNA, RNA) themselves were not formed. As observed in all consequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture."

Back onto topic, Atheist catch a lot of bull crap from those who claim to be religious but know hardly anything about the religion they say they follow. Which is alot around here.

[HipHopScribe]

Originally Posted by Darth Camel

Getting back on topic, I believe that God works through evolution. I believe God created the universe according to certain rules and principles that science uncovers through research and experimentation. There are several constants that dictate the universe. Many are so small we cannot perceive their value. One such constant is the universal gravitational constant, or G, which equals .0000000000667. No one can perceive a value that small. And if these constants were off by an even more unperceivable quantity, then none of us would be here. So, it boils down to this. Either an innumerable amount of coincidences happened causing many of these scientific constants to be perfect right for live to exist, or perhaps there is something pulling the strings in the background. The probability of an innumerable amount of perfectly exact coincidences happening is extremely low, if not impossible. I also believe in Occam's razor, that the best answer is the simplest one. By applying that principal with the remarkable circumstances that are responsible for our existence, I believe there is some deity or being controlling the strings. I like to call it God. The funny thing is, I find that no one has ever been able to refute that argument. Of course, you could believe that there are several parallel universes and we are lucky enough to live in one that we can exist in. That's a possible alternative. But no one even seems to say that, including atheists, even though that could very well be true, and it still doesn't disprove my point because both my position and that position can simultaneously be true. Many just claim science has proven or at least strongly suggests that there is no God. But, I just used science to advocate my position. So, that last point is very weak in my opinion.

Considering the size of the universe and span of time we're talking about, I don't it's unlikely as it may seem that an innumerable amount of coincidences would occur at least once, but this isn't about that debate, so I'll not get too off topic.

For the topic of hand, first of all, I think no matter what the view you're discussing, when someone is completely sure in their beliefs, and they have no doubt to the truth of them, it is already an uphill battle for them to be tolerant of beliefs that differ fundamentally from theirs. Often the best you can hope for is quiet intolerance, with feigned open-mindedness, but just as often (if not more often), you end up with active intolerance.

Look at Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, their religions share the same starting point, and they share most of the same fundamentals, and practically the same conception of God. Yet, throughout history people have been constantly killing each other for not only belonging to one of the other 2 religions, but for following different beliefs within the same religion. Now, throw out the most fundamental beliefs of all those religions, the belief in God, and you're gonna have tension.

It's a cliche, but it's true, people fear what they don't understand, and people have a very hard time understanding how people cannot believe what they do, because it seems so true and unquestionable in their own eyes.

Now, speaking specifically about the United States, we were founded in part by Puritans, who were very intolerant of different beliefs. Part of Puritanism was concern not only for your spiritual well-being, but that of your neighbors, you were expected to monitor what they were doing, and people would be cast out of the community. There are still a lot of Puritan values in our society, in our views on sex and other things, and one of them is getting in other people's business, to make sure they conform to our beliefs.

You also have to look at the brutal Christian missionary history, the use of extreme terror and brutality to convert people to Christianity has been very common, and these associated ideas of a "White Man's Burden" and "Manifest Destiny" were particularly taken up by this country, we don't talk about it in those terms, but those concept haven't disappeared.

And this stuff isn't just relevant to Christians hating atheists, it goes both ways, because even though they are not religious, these concepts and ideas about our beliefs, how important it is for others to share them, and how far we can go to make sure they do, are so deeply embedded in our society, atheists can't escape them much more than Christians can.

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by HipHopScribe

Considering the size of the universe and span of time we're talking about, I don't it's unlikely as it may seem that an innumerable amount of coincidences would occur at least once, but this isn't about that debate, so I'll not get too off topic.

For the topic of hand, first of all, I think no matter what the view you're discussing, when someone is completely sure in their beliefs, and they have no doubt to the truth of them, it is already an uphill battle for them to be tolerant of beliefs that differ fundamentally from theirs. Often the best you can hope for is quiet intolerance, with feigned open-mindedness, but just as often (if not more often), you end up with active intolerance.

Look at Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, their religions share the same starting point, and they share most of the same fundamentals, and practically the same conception of God. Yet, throughout history people have been constantly killing each other for not only belonging to one of the other 2 religions, but for following different beliefs within the same religion. Now, throw out the most fundamental beliefs of all those religions, the belief in God, and you're gonna have tension.

It's a cliche, but it's true, people fear what they don't understand, and people have a very hard time understanding how people cannot believe what they do, because it seems so true and unquestionable in their own eyes.

Now, speaking specifically about the United States, we were founded in part by Puritans, who were very intolerant of different beliefs. Part of Puritanism was concern not only for your spiritual well-being, but that of your neighbors, you were expected to monitor what they were doing, and people would be cast out of the community. There are still a lot of Puritan values in our society, in our views on sex and other things, and one of them is getting in other people's business, to make sure they conform to our beliefs.

You also have to look at the brutal Christian missionary history, the use of extreme terror and brutality to convert people to Christianity has been very common, and these associated ideas of a "White Man's Burden" and "Manifest Destiny" were particularly taken up by this country, we don't talk about it in those terms, but those concept haven't disappeared.

And this stuff isn't just relevant to Christians hating atheists, it goes both ways, because even though they are not religious, these concepts and ideas about our beliefs, how important it is for others to share them, and how far we can go to make sure they do, are so deeply embedded in our society, atheists can't escape them much more than Christians can.

Very nicely said. + rep