really confused :[

[Xx Demon xX]

Well I'm a muslim

(We belive in the same god as jews,christans,catholics)

God is one. there is no different god lol

Anyways. idk what to belive anymore..

I have prayed and SOMETIMES they come true

And most of the time.. they dont :/

Ive been questioning all of this since like forever.


Now.. i kinda consider myself agnostic/muslim

you know what i mean? Im not an athiest at all.

can anyone help me out?

[mr.handsomeman]

hmmm....I don't really know how your religion works. So I'm sorry man. Trust me, I know that sometimes I question my faith and I doubt my own religion. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to give up on it forever you know?
What's the main difference between Muslims and Christians?

[Xx Demon xX]

Well. We dont Belive that jesus was gods son.. and just a bit more stricter thats all..

Jesus is a prophet though.


We have different holidays.

Thats mainly it.

Same god almost same everything. the bible is almost the same as the quran [thats what i think]

So please dont think of me as a terrorist. ive never been to any of those countrys and im from egypt [my family is not me really Usa for me]

I belive in god. please dont say our gods are different

Thanks.. but im still confused about everything...

Because i see everything in a athiest point of view AND a religous.. you know what i mean ?

[saab900]

I was thinking about it the other day after I heard a song lyric and I got an idea. im not saying this is right, its just an idea. The point of praying isnt a request line or a wish box, its for talking to god. Sometimes you aks for things and you dont always get them immeditaly, somtimes you never get what you pray for, in this Life. I thought since the ultimate goal of most religions is to pass away and live eternally with god (sorry if this isnt the way your religion is) then when you pray for things you will get everything you ever prayed for, just not necessarily in this life. But those prayers will be waiting for you with god in heaven. I believe that the point of relegion is to truly believe in god, not nessicarily blindly follow acient traditions, but for somepeople that helps them feel closer to him and truly believe. Ill admit I question all this at times. But I have a hard time not believing. In the end its up to you. Its your choice whther or not to pray or go to church or be agnostic or whatever. But what ever you choose try to find happiness and hope in it.

[Xx Demon xX]

yeah thats what i belive

I usually pray... to talk to god.. get close.

But sometimes.. you pray for god to give you something stupid...

Well i got a zune 30. on oct 1 and then the zune 80 came out .. then stupid of me.. i prayed for a zune 80. but i was broke. but then comes march out of no where. i find myself with like 300 dollars [i guess i just like saved]

And i got one. idk if it was prayer...

But you never know.. :/

But saab. dont worry. i mean its like everyones religion. i dont think theres a HUGE difference lol.

[133794m3r]

Originally Posted by Xx Demon xX

Well. We dont Belive that jesus was gods son.. and just a bit more stricter thats all..

Jesus is a prophet though.


We have different holidays.

Thats mainly it.

Same god almost same everything. the bible is almost the same as the quran [thats what i think]

So please dont think of me as a terrorist. ive never been to any of those countrys and im from egypt [my family is not me really Usa for me]

I belive in god. please dont say our gods are different

Thanks.. but im still confused about everything...

Because i see everything in a athiest point of view AND a religous.. you know what i mean ?

Oh don't worry I wont... and I understand what you're talking about... I used to be a baptist christian but now I consider myself to be an agnostic... it's just how it goes sometimes... I don't really know what to tell you. I wish I knew what to say... but it's really about what you feel in your heart... if you still believe that islam is for you... and if Allah is reallly trying to tell you believe in islam... now i've not studied the Koran... but the bible says to take the key ideas and believe in them but don't take the book as literal... so after seeing how the "christians" behave... I declared myself an agnostic. So I hope that whatever choice you chose is the right one for you.

[SilentWalrus]

You can't be agnostic and muslim (unless you HAX)
If you doubt it it's true.
To be honest.

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by Xx Demon xX

yeah thats what i belive

I usually pray... to talk to god.. get close.

But sometimes.. you pray for god to give you something stupid...

Well i got a zune 30. on oct 1 and then the zune 80 came out .. then stupid of me.. i prayed for a zune 80. but i was broke. but then comes march out of no where. i find myself with like 300 dollars [i guess i just like saved]

And i got one. idk if it was prayer...

But you never know.. :/

But saab. dont worry. i mean its like everyones religion. i dont think theres a HUGE difference lol.

Take God out of the equation. Would you still have ended up with the money?
Don't say," I don't know", either.

[lacrosse_man16]

Well im kinda in the same boat as you as far as agnostic goes however I am catholic rather than Muslim. I to some degree believe in catholic beliefs but I would rather consider them morals that I and the rest of the world go by. However it is getting to the point of where I just think that all religion is BS if you really look at religion over the centuries all religions regardless of how many gods it has all have the same stories; a great flood a creation ect... With that being said to me it sounds like all religions have a similar purpose to explain the unexplainable, provide a sense of belonging and set moral codes. Now we all know that Scientology is kinda weird as most new cults are. If you understand what makes a cult a cult and religion a religion then you would understand that at some point in time all religions were a cult. In order for a cult to become a religion it must meet one if not both of the criteria below:
-Must be widely accepted
-Must be in existence for over 100 years
Now I am not really going to tell you what to believe or not to believe but religion does not exists it is merely a club for the people who feel they have no purpose. Who must have rules set for them.

As to why I became this way is a personal matter but lets just say it was a hard time for me. I tried praying and looking for religious guidance. All of my prayers where left unanswered. For those of you who know me well and the events that have recently occurred would understand that what I had asked was not selfish. Once I had stopped praying all of my requests and been answered and then some. My life was finally returning to the way it used to be and even better. This tells me that answered prayers are nothing more than coincidences or luck. If you really think about it this would explain why some prayers are left unanswered and some are answered. If you have ever taken psychology you will see that humans will seek for explanations to answer everything that happens in this case answered prayers must mean that there is a God. SO just try this and let me know if it works (if you are going to attempt try it and mean it or else there is no point.) If you truly believe that you want something give it your all and you will get it, as long as it is a realistic goal.

Now for that almighty question that I am sure that all of you Christians are dying to ask me? So where did the universe come from if there is no God? my answer where the hell did your God come from? as soon as you can answer that I can answer your question. Do not tell me that he has always been there as the bible says because then I can just answer back and so was the universe.

[Xx Demon xX]

well.. about the money..

I dont think i would have had it.

I mean i got around 100$ for the arabic holiday.

and then out of no where. my uncle who i havent seen in years gives me 50 dollars...

I find 20 dollars in school and my dad who never gives me money. suddenly pays off the rest..

Im not even lying... Luck i guess? or just my prayer.

[JasonH]

hmm. first of all, nobody should lose faith in God because we Christians act stupid and wrong at times (alot of times). Thats the whole reason we need God's forgiveness, we're sinful. The problem is that in the westernized world, Christianity has become so commonplace that people claim to be christian and even go to church but they are not, in fact, truly loving and living for God. They're just doing what they want every day, and then hitting church on Sunday. If you wanna leave christianity, it better be because of God. and he won't ever tell you to leave it, but to find a good church that is truly in His will.

As for Allah being the same as Jehovah...theres issues there. THe people that eventually became the muslims possibly once worshipped my God, but what they changed that when they began to claim he was something else. This extra stuff islam has added on is no good. The bible is the law and word of God. The WHOLE bible. and if you read it ALL it makes a lot of sense. the old testament and new testament do not contradict and are not separate.

Now I don't understand why a Muslim who thinks the gods are the same cannot believe that jesus is the son of God. He fullfilled every prophecy made about him by God through the prophets. of course, the ones concerning his return are still in progress =).

If jesus was a prophet...what was he here to tell us? seems to me he only preached how he was the way to heaven.
Furthermore...he claimed to be the Son of God...it had to be the truth or he was lying. thus, if he was lying about something that significant, he's not exactly a prophet is he?

So even if you believe our Gods are the same....mine is saying something different from yours...one is right, one is wrong, they are not the same! Jesus is the way, there is no other way. and before you say "thats not fair" let me remind you that what is just is that we be killed for our sins before God, but He is merciful and provided a free and perfect escape back to Him.

[lacrosse_man16]

Originally Posted by JasonH

hmm. first of all, nobody should lose faith in God because we Christians act stupid and wrong at times (alot of times). Thats the whole reason we need God's forgiveness, we're sinful. The problem is that in the westernized world, Christianity has become so commonplace that people claim to be christian and even go to church but they are not, in fact, truly loving and living for God. They're just doing what they want every day, and then hitting church on Sunday. If you wanna leave christianity, it better be because of God. and he won't ever tell you to leave it, but to find a good church that is truly in His will.

As for Allah being the same as Jehovah...theres issues there. THe people that eventually became the muslims possibly once worshipped my God, but what they changed that when they began to claim he was something else. This extra stuff islam has added on is no good. The bible is the law and word of God. The WHOLE bible. and if you read it ALL it makes a lot of sense. the old testament and new testament do not contradict and are not separate.

Now I don't understand why a Muslim who thinks the gods are the same cannot believe that jesus is the son of God. He fullfilled every prophecy made about him by God through the prophets. of course, the ones concerning his return are still in progress =).

If jesus was a prophet...what was he here to tell us? seems to me he only preached how he was the way to heaven.
Furthermore...he claimed to be the Son of God...it had to be the truth or he was lying. thus, if he was lying about something that significant, he's not exactly a prophet is he?

So even if you believe our Gods are the same....mine is saying something different from yours...one is right, one is wrong, they are not the same! Jesus is the way, there is no other way. and before you say "thats not fair" let me remind you that what is just is that we be killed for our sins before God, but He is merciful and provided a free and perfect escape back to Him.

Not to diss on you man but this sounds like a bunch of bull**** coming from an ignorant mouth. From the sounds of it you sound like a baptist to me, and if that is so then you have not read the entire bible because your NIV bible or whatever your read has books taken out of it, or any other Protestant bible or domination for that matter. If you happen to be catholic and have read the ENTIRE bible since the catholic bible has all of the books you are a sorry excuse for a catholic. A true catholic does not talk down another individual of another religion, or try to convince on that they are wrong. I do not intend on starting a debate here but Jason know your **** before you start talking.

[Atrocious]

Muslims and Christians don't have the same God.
In theory they do, but if you go ask a christian if they have the same God as a Muslim, chances are they'll say no.
Prays aren't suppose to come true anyways, it's like asking for something. Chances are you won't get it.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by lacrosse_man16

Not to diss on you man but this sounds like a bunch of bull**** coming from an ignorant mouth. From the sounds of it you sound like a baptist to me, and if that is so then you have not read the entire bible because your NIV bible or whatever your read has books taken out of it, or any other Protestant bible or domination for that matter. If you happen to be catholic and have read the ENTIRE bible since the catholic bible has all of the books you are a sorry excuse for a catholic. A true catholic does not talk down another individual of another religion, or try to convince on that they are wrong. I do not intend on starting a debate here but Jason know your **** before you start talking.

For one, a true Catholic may not talk down to people, they just have more "interesting" ways of getting people to convert or telling them that they are wrong. i.e. The European Witch Hunts, The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades... Also, EVERY bible has books taken out of it Lacrosse_man. Look into the the Book of Jubilees (or sometimes called "Little Genesis"), The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Mary (as in Mary Magdelene), The Apocalypse of Peter, The Book of Enoch, The Second Apocalypse of Peter, The Gospel of Judas. These are all books that were considered for inclusion in both Old and New Testaments and were all subsequently tossed to the side. Many of these book predate the books that people most commonly accept as the Biblical Canon and, in the case of Catholics, the Biblical Apocrypha.

As for you JasonH
I don't even know where to begin. Don't you see the double standard here? You claim that Islam is wrong and the Christianity is right. How can you discredit Islam all together when your religion follows the same principle idea that the Bible is right because it says it's right. In the case of Islam, the Koran is right because the Koran says it's right. There is no foundation of truth when the source sites itself as the reference. I'm not here to argue the existence of God or A god. I'm simply pointing out the fact that you can not discredit another religion and substantiate your when your religion is built on the same flimsy foundation.

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by Xx Demon xX

well.. about the money..

I dont think i would have had it.

I mean i got around 100$ for the arabic holiday.

and then out of no where. my uncle who i havent seen in years gives me 50 dollars...

I find 20 dollars in school and my dad who never gives me money. suddenly pays off the rest..

Im not even lying... Luck i guess? or just my prayer.

So you would have got the $100 anyway. But the rest MUST be a act of God because they might not/usually don't/probably won't happen?

[Xx Demon xX]

They are the same.

They're based on the same religion...

God is one. and there are no others. so how can they be different?

And to the christans saying there not. because theyre ignorant bastard who dont actually listen to what people say..