really confused :[

[Atrocious]

Christians hate anyone who doesn't think/believe/live like them basically.

[Weesnaw]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Christians hate anyone who doesn't think/believe/live like them basically.

I wouldn't say hate, but they are definately intolerant....

[133794m3r]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Ok, perhaps HATE was too strong of a word. The Christians do not HATE the Jews however, many Christians and Christian churches don't recognize the Jewish faith as being legitamate anymore. As far as the Jews being God's chosen people, that ended when Christ came into the picture. To many Christians, once Christianity was born, the Jewish faith was, for all intents and purposes, null and void.

yeah... but accroding to their bible the jews will be forced to something to the effect of stay somewhere and wait for god. I guess... I mean I know that they don't believe that it's legit but that depends on who you ask, almost every christian I talk to makes me laugh. They say "you will go to hell unless you believe that christ died for our sins." So I say, "Ok so you're telling me that every jew who prays to your god, is being sent to hell where they'll burn for ever and be eternally punished?" then they just shut up.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by 133794m3r

yeah... but accroding to their bible the jews will be forced to something to the effect of stay somewhere and wait for god. I guess... I mean I know that they don't believe that it's legit but that depends on who you ask, almost every christian I talk to makes me laugh. They say "you will go to hell unless you believe that christ died for our sins." So I say, "Ok so you're telling me that every jew who prays to your god, is being sent to hell where they'll burn for ever and be eternally punished?" then they just shut up.

But according to doctrine that is a correct statement. In John 14 ( I can't remember the exact line) it says...

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

You can not gain entry into heaven unless you accept Jesus Christ as your savior. Bottom line. Ask any Christian who KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT and they will tell youthe same thing.

[133794m3r]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

But according to doctrine that is a correct statement. In John 14 ( I can't remember the exact line) it says...

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

You can not gain entry into heaven unless you accept Jesus Christ as your savior. Bottom line. Ask any Christian who KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT and they will tell youthe same thing.

yes they do know what they're talking about and they tell me that and quote it a many of time, but they still try and act like the jews are God's people and that some how the jews will eventually believe in jesus. But then if the jews don't believe in Jesus and I know they don't really believe that there's a heaven or a hell... what happens to them... I mean according to Christianity they burn in hell, but according to Judaism you just move on... I need to find a jew and a christian and have them both set down w/ me and we need to have a good long winded talk like really soon.

[skyroket]

another difference between Muslims and Christians: Muslims murder Christians all the time just for looking at a Bible, let alone reading and owning one. Muslims also kill their own family for converting to Christianity--why? In my opinion (which probably holds little value to some of you anyways) its because they feel threatened by Christianity. Christians have something that Muslims never will, maybe? I dont know, but I do know that true Christians don't kill their brother for becoming a Muslim, but true Muslims kill their brothers for becoming Christians. Christians pray for their brothers...not murder them

[EndUnknown]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Christians hate anyone who doesn't think/believe/live like them basically.

not true. some do, but I for example, just disagree. I have friends who adamantly HATE Christianity and do all they can to 'convert' Christians to atheism. I don't hate them, I just disagree, and have plenty of debates w/ them

Originally Posted by Weesnaw

I wouldn't say hate, but they are definately intolerant....

I wouldn't call myself intolerant. I may not approve of someones actions but I tolerate them and allow them their views.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by skyroket

another difference between Muslims and Christians: Muslims murder Christians all the time just for looking at a Bible, let alone reading and owning one. Muslims also kill their own family for converting to Christianity--why? In my opinion (which probably holds little value to some of you anyways) its because they feel threatened by Christianity. Christians have something that Muslims never will, maybe? I dont know, but I do know that true Christians don't kill their brother for becoming a Muslim, but true Muslims kill their brothers for becoming Christians. Christians pray for their brothers...not murder them

I disagree with you. The way I see it, is if you are a TRUE Christian you follow the Holy Bible to a T...


If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
-Deuteronomy 13:6-10

I think you give Christians too much credit. Granted, Christians may not go around stoning people to death but why not? It says to in the bible. Can you damn a Muslim for following their religion the way it should be followed?

Christians have been killing Muslims and people of other religions for two thousand years. The thing is though, Christians had a revelation somewhere along the way that they can pick and choose parts of the bible that seem relevant and conveneint.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by Dark616

not true. some do, but I for example, just disagree. I have friends who adamantly HATE Christianity and do all they can to 'convert' Christians to atheism. I don't hate them, I just disagree, and have plenty of debates w/ them

My favorite debate with my Christian friend is this.

Me: "You can't prove there's a God."
Friend: "You can't disprove there's a God."
Me: "I can't disprove anything you can't prove."

You can't prove God, I can't disprove God because there's nothing to prove in the first place.

[Ricky]

religion is the crutch of the earth.

[1wdc]

Originally Posted by Xx Demon xX

Well I'm a muslim

(We belive in the same god as jews,christans,catholics)

God is one. there is no different god lol

Anyways. idk what to belive anymore..

I have prayed and SOMETIMES they come true

And most of the time.. they dont :/

Ive been questioning all of this since like forever.


Now.. i kinda consider myself agnostic/muslim

you know what i mean? Im not an athiest at all.

can anyone help me out?

The bible says that God answers the form of prayers in yes no and wait.

Don't know if you care what the bible says but thats what it says ><

Originally Posted by Atrocious

My favorite debate with my Christian friend is this.

Me: "You can't prove there's a God."
Friend: "You can't disprove there's a God."
Me: "I can't disprove anything you can't prove."

You can't prove God, I can't disprove God because there's nothing to prove in the first place.

Well you can't disprove something by proving that it hasn't ( or can't) be proven.

If I try to say there is a sheep in the yard, but I don't know if the sheep is in the yard, and my friend says that since I can't prove there is one there is none, and I say you can't prove that there isn't a sheep, and you say that you can't disprove it because I haven proven it, there still is no definite proof either way.

[icecavern]

Hm...I know very little about the Muslim faith, but I know that religion, at its most basic level, is to make us comfortable and happy when faced with such things as loss and our own mortality while helping us understand the way the world works. If Islam isn't doing that for you anymore, you should either try to find what about it made you feel comforted in the first place or try to find a religion that fits your needs. About your prayers, though. You may feel betrayed or let down because they don't always come true. You shouldn't feel abandoned though. We can't have everything we want. When we're young often times we're taught that prayer is the solution to tough problems. While this can help either by a divine gift or simply added self motivation, we can't always depend on this. As imperfect beings, we don't always understand what is best for us. Also, some events eventually have to happen, such as death because no one can live forever. Religion isn't always to make every aspect of earthly living better, it's more so to make you feel comfort in that once you leave this world of pain and discontent you will be at peace and happy. I hope this helped at least a little. If not, I hope someone else can help you, and I hope you figure this out.

[icecavern]

Originally Posted by 1wdc

If I try to say there is a sheep in the yard, but I don't know if the sheep is in the yard, and my friend says that since I can't prove there is one there is none, and I say you can't prove that there isn't a sheep, and you say that you can't disprove it because I haven proven it, there still is no definite proof either way.

lol awesome

[Jay_Fila]

Originally Posted by Little Horn

I disagree with you. The way I see it, is if you are a TRUE Christian you follow the Holy Bible to a T...


If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
-Deuteronomy 13:6-10

I think you give Christians too much credit. Granted, Christians may not go around stoning people to death but why not? It says to in the bible. Can you damn a Muslim for following their religion the way it should be followed?

Christians have been killing Muslims and people of other religions for two thousand years. The thing is though, Christians had a revelation somewhere along the way that they can pick and choose parts of the bible that seem relevant and conveneint.

It does say this in the bible, but this is said in the old testament...Don't get me wrong, the old testament is very important and explains many things including why Jesus had to come in the first place. God layed down many specific laws in the old testament to keep his people on track, but when Jesus came, a new covenant was formed so we are now bound by God, not the law. With this new covenant we can now experience a personal relationship with God and we no longer need to sacrifice animals for our sins because Jesus was the atoning sacrifice.

So in short, many of these commands made in the old testament don't apply specificly to our lives such as the one you mentioned

Originally Posted by Xx Demon xX

I have prayed and SOMETIMES they come true

And most of the time.. they dont :/

Well, when praying for material things (such as TVs or Computers), often times your prayers won't come true...but when you pray for spiritual things such as the strength to get through a difficult situation or the boldness to spread His word to others your prayers will be answered. We ultimately want to pray for God's will to be done in our life!

[sixstring38]

I would like to address two things here. 1) I believe ther is a difference betwen a christian and a christ follower. I think the term "christian" has changed over time and now people who give themselves this title only think they are that becasue they go to church. They may have beens aveda t one point and now think that is allt ehy need to get by. A christ follower is a person who activly searches for God and His will. They strive for a closeness with Jesus that they have never had before. As far as "acting christian" a christ follower tries to act the way Jesus would want us to. This doesn't mean we won't screw up. This is why i beleive that peopl think christians are hateful.
2) to answer the prayer question....God just doesn't give you whatever you want. If you really want results in prayer you need to seek HIS will not yours. Just because i want a Lambo. doesn't mean i can pray and get it. That is just lusting after a car. When i pray i say "god i want this to happen, if it is in your will make it happen." Before Jesus ascended into heaven he taught the disciples "the lord's prayer" , in it there is a part about "thy will be done", this is praying that God's will happends. You don't just pray for things you want, lift up what you want before God and ask Him if that is what he wants for you.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay_Fila

It does say this in the bible, but this is said in the old testament...Don't get me wrong, the old testament is very important and explains many things including why Jesus had to come in the first place. God layed down many specific laws in the old testament to keep his people on track, but when Jesus came, a new covenant was formed so we are now bound by God, not the law. With this new covenant we can now experience a personal relationship with God and we no longer need to sacrifice animals for our sins because Jesus was the atoning sacrifice.

So in short, many of these commands made in the old testament don't apply specificly to our lives such as the one you mentioned



Well, when praying for material things (such as TVs or Computers), often times your prayers won't come true...but when you pray for spiritual things such as the strength to get through a difficult situation or the boldness to spread His word to others your prayers will be answered. We ultimately want to pray for God's will to be done in our life!

So wait, following the Bible, our only way of knowing God for sure, is only optional for a Christian?! The only way to know Christ is through to Bible, so strict adherance is necessary to be a "Christian."

You can get material things just as much as spiritual things. What determines whether or not your answer from God is a yes or no is how much you need it. So, praying to God for Halo probably won't get results. Praying for money to pay for next month's rent when you have no way to get the money, well, that's something worth praying for. Asking for "wisdom" won't always get results because you may be just as wise as God intends you to be.

[Darth Drunk]

Originally Posted by Locke

So wait, following the Bible, our only way of knowing God for sure, is only optional for a Christian?! The only way to know Christ is through to Bible, so strict adherance is necessary to be a "Christian."

You can get material things just as much as spiritual things. What determines whether or not your answer from God is a yes or no is how much you need it. So, praying to God for Halo probably won't get results. Praying for money to pay for next month's rent when you have no way to get the money, well, that's something worth praying for. Asking for "wisdom" won't always get results because you may be just as wise as God intends you to be.

Or could receiving the money just be chance, and you aren't wise because you have no common sense. Confucius was a very wise man, and he wasn't Christian. If I believe correctly he prayed to a very different God, that he claimed to give him "wisdom". Nothing is what it seems unless its what you believe so in the end whatever it is you want to believe it is right as long as you believe it is. Now this does not mean you should go preaching your faith.