If I was to tell you that I am a Satanist...

Little Horn · 04-16-2008, 09:52 AM

What would your initial reaction be?
What is the first thing that comes to mind?

mr.handsomeman · 04-16-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by floorpuncher

What would your initial reaction be?
What is the first thing that comes to mind?

i would look at your sig and say "how could he not be?"

Little Horn · 04-16-2008, 01:20 PM

Good point...

Let me elaborate.... what does the term Satanist or Satanism mean to you? What do you think a Satanist is? What beliefs do you think he holds?

saline · 04-16-2008, 02:14 PM

You believe Satan is essentially God? Although if you believe in Satan, wouldn't you also believe in God? And if you believed that wouldn't you believe in an eternal life somewhere? And if you had this knowledge why would you choose to stay in hell for eternity?

I honestly have never talked to a Satanist and I'm curious.

I myself am Christian...or Christist =p

Darth Camel · 04-16-2008, 02:47 PM

I'd think of the "Woodland Critters" from South Park and laugh. No offense meant to you, but that episode was hilarious. To be serious though, I'd think that everyone has the right to believe in what they want and as long as you're not hurting anyone, then I'm fine with it.

AquaToad · 04-16-2008, 03:18 PM

IMAGINATIONLAND FTW! i luv south park :P. but on the subject: do you worship satan or just believe he is real? and if you do worship him, why? i think if i was walkin around and someone said he is a satanist, id probably be a little weirded out, if that answers your question

Little Horn · 04-16-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saline

You believe Satan is essentially God? Although if you believe in Satan, wouldn't you also believe in God? And if you believed that wouldn't you believe in an eternal life somewhere? And if you had this knowledge why would you choose to stay in hell for eternity?

I honestly have never talked to a Satanist and I'm curious.

I myself am Christian...or Christist =p

THANK YOU! You gave me the exact answer that I was looking for as this is the most common attitude when the subject of Satanism is brought up and I aim to educate a few people.

First and foremost I have to say that I follow the philosophies of Anton Lavey, "the founder of the Church of Satan. We believe in no God and certainly no Devil. These are nothing more than fictional characters that Man created a long time ago to control the masses.

"Well why are do you call yourselves a Satanist?"

We get this one all the time and I suppose that if you know nothing about Satanism this would seem a little odd. The word "Satan" is a Hebrew word that translates to "adversary" or "accuser". This is how we view ourselves. As adversaries to the idea of deistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism and any others that you can throw at us. We do not burn down churches or hunt down and sacrifice Christians. Our approach is more a less a "war of words" attitude. In this respect, we use the idea of Satan as an archetype, a symbol if you will. We view religion as a crutch and as a crippling factor that effects society today that poisons people's minds and infects millions.

Another common misconception is that we preach the ideas of hate and intolerance and this could not be further from the truth. We do in fact believe that you should love fully, those that deserve your love but why should you love your enemies? Anton Lavey says in the Satanic Bible (wh*** I highly recommend to anyone interested in not only Satanism but philosophy as well):

"Love your enemies and do good to them that hate and use you - Is this not the despicable philosophy of the spaniel that rolls on its back when kicked?"

On the subject of intolerance I would have to say that this is partially correct. We are extremely intolerant of stupidity and ignorance. Stupidity is actual the Cardinal Sin in the Satanism. Other than that we are actually a lot more tolerant than most other major world "religions". We don't care if you're gay, black, white, asian, hispanic, etc.... and we don't care what your political views are. This is a tad more tolerant than Christianity, Judaism and certainly Islam.

"What about sacrifices?"

We don't believe in the idea of human or animal sacrifice and I'll explain why. If we don't believe in God or any god, what would we be sacrificing to? Second, and perhaps the most important reason, is that we Satanist hold the life in very high regards. We don't believe in an afterlife and therefore feel that this our only chance. To rob someone of the precious gift of life would be wrong on all levels.

"Well, you're a Satanist. How can you have Morals if you have no god to instill those morals in you"

I get this one all the time and to be honest with you I think this is probably one of the dumbest questions I've ever been asked when on this topic but I'm going to lay it all out there for you guys.

First of all, to suggest that human beings are incapable developing morals without the threat of eternal damnation is extremely insulting. Second, by suggesting that there would be no morals without the foundation of religion is to suggest that before Moses stood on Mount Sinai every human being just ran around and killed each other without guilt and stole things that did not belong to them is just ridiculous. I mean some of the most advance societies were established thousands of years prior to Moses presenting stone tablets to a group of Jews and these societies prospered.

That's all I feel like writing right now (my son is begging me to go throw the footbal around with him) so I hope that this answered some questions and I'll post more as more questions come up.

Also to answer the question about why would I want to go to hell... This is all hypothetical as I do not believe in the concept of heaven or hell but just for entertainment purposes here's the answer that I always give...

All men are sinners therefore all men go to hell. With this in mind all my friends and family and people that I care about will be in hell as we are all sinners... so why would I want to go to heaven.

It is also argued that the concept of hell is not hellfire and brimstone but simply a place outside of the presence of God. How would this place be much different than earth?

F4tal_3rror · 04-16-2008, 07:01 PM

Wow, Satanism different than I thought it was... Thank you for the explanation. I do have one question, If you say you don't believe in Satan then why does your sig. Say my god has horns?

Scrapz616 · 04-16-2008, 07:09 PM

My exact question^
But yea, thanx for the post, I actually always thought different of Satanism, but this clears alot of stuff up, and i agree with some of what you say, but I'm a christian, so I don't completely agree with all your beliefs, but respect them nonetheless, cuz some of it actually makes sense

Little Horn · 04-16-2008, 07:23 PM

Its meant to be funny. I mean, as I said before we embrace the idea of Satan as the Adversary. To say my GOD has horns is my way of poking fun at people who are always looking for devils in everything.

Something else that I thought of that I feel is really important. I say that I am a Satanist and I've explained to you what that means as far as following what Anton Lavey laid out in the Satanic Bible. That does not mean that there aren't "Satanists" that worship the devil and basically believe in Christian teachings but choose to follow the "bad guy". I want to make it absolutely clear that WE AS SATANISTS THAT FOLLOW THE CHURCH OF SATAN ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH THESE MORONS AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE GIVEN ALL SATANISTS A BAD NAME BY LIVING UP TO THE STEREOTYPICAL ROLE OF A SATANIST.

We call these kinds of Satanists "Theistic Satanists" because they do believe in the existence of God and the devil whereas we do not.

F4tal_3rror · 04-16-2008, 07:39 PM

Alright that makes a lot of sense, though i will agree to disagree with you! :P

mincho · 04-16-2008, 07:47 PM

I wouldn't care If you were a satanist or a devil worshiper.

Gow616 · 04-16-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by floorpuncher

What would your initial reaction be?
What is the first thing that comes to mind?

Satanist as in that silly Church of Satan, which is actually based on Christianity?

Or Satanist is as in true satanism that Anton LeVey did not create. The belief that one is a deity or deity in human form. Basically, it is the worship of self as a divine being.

If it is the former,

, if it is the latter, if that is what you want to believe in and follow, good for you.

Dougiebaby · 04-16-2008, 09:26 PM

First, I really have no problem if someone has a different religious beliefs from myself -- that is a cornerstone of our (U.S.) society and I truly respect that. So, this is not meant to be an attack or anything confrontational...

To be quite honest, it seems that you are actually Agnostic -- not Satanist.

You stated Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan, created a religion that believes in no God or Devil, which basically is agnostic. It is my belief Lavey chose the name "Church of Satan" to cause a stir and attract those who are anti-establishment (regarding religion) and to ruffle the feathers of the Christians/Jews/Islam/etc. population that believe in God.

If you think about it, since the "Church of Satan" does not believe in Satan or God, it could just as easily been called the "Church of Cucumbers" or the "Church of Lavey" or the "Church of fill in the blank".

Once again, this is not an attack of your belief system, it's an attack of the naming (or Lavey's motivations behind the name) of the religion. Lavey formed the C of S in San Francisco in 1966 (the epicenter of counterculture in the 1960's) and I think he wanted a "shock factor" to create buzz about his religion.

The religion itself, from what I have read and what you stated above, seems to follow a more classical Agnostic belief system -- it just has a more controversial name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Little Horn · 04-17-2008, 06:31 AM

these are good points and I will address them when I get home this evening (long day at work ahead of me)

As I said before these are all good points. I will not argue with you about the reasonings behind LaVey naming his organization "The Church of Satan". It absolutely was to create an uproar within the religious community. It was keeping within the idea of playing the role of the adversary to religious ideology.

Also, to say that what I believe is more like Agnosticism than Satanism is completely in correct. Agnostics accept the idea that there very well may be a "God" whereas the foundation of Satanism is Atheism. Atheism is a complete lack of faith to the idea of a God and any real atheist KNOWS that there is no God. Period.

We do not view ourselves as God or deities and by claiming this it is obvious that you have misinterpreted what Lavey says. Basically it's not that we view ourselves as GODS but rather we understand that the highest creation his human beings. If one feels the need to worship an "idol" of some sort why not idolize the person who means the most to you and who is most qualified and deserving of your complete and total devotion other than yourself? It's not that we satanists view ourselves of supreme beings with supernatural powers and to incenuate otherwise is just ridiculous on a level that is staggering.

saline · 04-17-2008, 02:18 PM

Ok, you mentioned the "Cardinal Sin" of ignorance, or something like that. My question is, where do you base your opinions of right and wrong? Is it society? If so, where did they get their basis for it? If there was no God in the beginning, just man, and you believe in survival of the fittest, at what point in history did people decide that taking someone elses life is wrong?

Another question: What if you're wrong? For me, if I'm wrong, when I die I have nothing to lose according to you.

You also said "...highest creation his human beings." ...creation? ...so did man create man?

I'm not trying to be pushy, just skeptical, like yourself.

Trogdor · 04-17-2008, 02:29 PM

If you told me you were a Satanist I would most likely chuckle to be honest.(and I did already)

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Originally Posted by Gow

Satanist as in that silly Church of Satan, which is actually based on Christianity?

Yep

I can agree with Satanist for believing in the words "Do what Thou Wilt" because I believe God gives us free will and we can use the gift for better or worse, but I strongly believe in justice

Alex · 04-17-2008, 02:46 PM

hey thanks for the clarification i understand a lot more now

Little Horn · 04-17-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saline

Ok, you mentioned the "Cardinal Sin" of ignorance, or something like that. My question is, where do you base your opinions of right and wrong? Is it society? If so, where did they get their basis for it? If there was no God in the beginning, just man, and you believe in survival of the fittest, at what point in history did people decide that taking someone elses life is wrong?

Another question: What if you're wrong? For me, if I'm wrong, when I die I have nothing to lose according to you.

You also said "...highest creation his human beings." ...creation? ...so did man create man?

I'm not trying to be pushy, just skeptical, like yourself.

What if I'm wrong? Honestly, I hope that I am. It would be great if I was wrong and there was an afterlife as i would then continue to exist which is a lot more calming to think about instead of what I know is the truth which is "death is the end". Granted that means that I will go to Hell. But I ask you why would that be so bad? Is hell really the "suffering for all eternity" thing or is it simply the absence of God? I try to be a good man and live my life the best that I can and if that isn't good enough for God then I want nothing to do with him anyways. So he can keep his Heaven.

On the subject of morality and right and wrong, I believe that I addressed that in a previous post and you can find my answer there. If I need to go into further detail then let me know I will gladly do so.

Free will? God has given you free will? Are you sure about this?If I remember correctly God is Omniscient is he not? This of course means that he knows EVEYTHING. All that was, is and will be. Therefore God has known my fate since he came into existence. God knew at that moment whether or not I will go to heaven or hell. This is information that he has gathered and knows to be true before i even have an opportunity to make the decision that will ultimately lead to my damnation or salvation... Is this really free will? If God has already decided to send me to heaven or to hell on the day that I die what can I possibly do to change his mind? What could I possibly do to prove God wrong? To argue that God gave us free will and still maintain the idea that God is Omnipotent and Omniscient is contradictory. Plain and simple.

04-16-2008, 09:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
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Little Horn Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 579 Reputation: 46	Good point... Let me elaborate.... what does the term Satanist or Satanism mean to you? What do you think a Satanist is? What beliefs do you think he holds? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [ I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.[/

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saline Zune Freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 15 miles south of Nowhere, USA Posts: 1,238 Reputation: 107	You believe Satan is essentially God? Although if you believe in Satan, wouldn't you also believe in God? And if you believed that wouldn't you believe in an eternal life somewhere? And if you had this knowledge why would you choose to stay in hell for eternity? I honestly have never talked to a Satanist and I'm curious. I myself am Christian...or Christist =p __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by saline : 04-16-2008 at 02:17 PM.

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AquaToad Experienced Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Carolina Posts: 856 Reputation: 39	IMAGINATIONLAND FTW! i luv south park :P. but on the subject: do you worship satan or just believe he is real? and if you do worship him, why? i think if i was walkin around and someone said he is a satanist, id probably be a little weirded out, if that answers your question __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. thx stkr

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Scrapz616 Support Team Super Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,693 Reputation: 153	My exact question^ But yea, thanx for the post, I actually always thought different of Satanism, but this clears alot of stuff up, and i agree with some of what you say, but I'm a christian, so I don't completely agree with all your beliefs, but respect them nonetheless, cuz some of it actually makes sense __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *Throw Ya L's Up* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Darth Camel Zune Freak Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,102 Reputation: 65	I'd think of the "Woodland Critters" from South Park and laugh. No offense meant to you, but that episode was hilarious. To be serious though, I'd think that everyone has the right to believe in what they want and as long as you're not hurting anyone, then I'm fine with it.

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F4tal_3rror Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 10	Wow, Satanism different than I thought it was... Thank you for the explanation. I do have one question, If you say you don't believe in Satan then why does your sig. Say my god has horns?

04-16-2008, 07:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Little Horn Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 579 Reputation: 46	Its meant to be funny. I mean, as I said before we embrace the idea of Satan as the Adversary. To say my GOD has horns is my way of poking fun at people who are always looking for devils in everything. Something else that I thought of that I feel is really important. I say that I am a Satanist and I've explained to you what that means as far as following what Anton Lavey laid out in the Satanic Bible. That does not mean that there aren't "Satanists" that worship the devil and basically believe in Christian teachings but choose to follow the "bad guy". I want to make it absolutely clear that WE AS SATANISTS THAT FOLLOW THE CHURCH OF SATAN ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH THESE MORONS AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE GIVEN ALL SATANISTS A BAD NAME BY LIVING UP TO THE STEREOTYPICAL ROLE OF A SATANIST. We call these kinds of Satanists "Theistic Satanists" because they do believe in the existence of God and the devil whereas we do not. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [ I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.[/

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F4tal_3rror Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 10	Alright that makes a lot of sense, though i will agree to disagree with you! :P __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [/center]

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mincho Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 154 Reputation: 20	I wouldn't care If you were a satanist or a devil worshiper. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-16-2008, 09:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dougiebaby Jr. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 319 Reputation: 26	First, I really have no problem if someone has a different religious beliefs from myself -- that is a cornerstone of our (U.S.) society and I truly respect that. So, this is not meant to be an attack or anything confrontational... To be quite honest, it seems that you are actually Agnostic -- not Satanist. You stated Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan, created a religion that believes in no God or Devil, which basically is agnostic. It is my belief Lavey chose the name "Church of Satan" to cause a stir and attract those who are anti-establishment (regarding religion) and to ruffle the feathers of the Christians/Jews/Islam/etc. population that believe in God. If you think about it, since the "Church of Satan" does not believe in Satan or God, it could just as easily been called the "Church of Cucumbers" or the "Church of Lavey" or the "Church of fill in the blank". Once again, this is not an attack of your belief system, it's an attack of the naming (or Lavey's motivations behind the name) of the religion. Lavey formed the C of S in San Francisco in 1966 (the epicenter of counterculture in the 1960's) and I think he wanted a "shock factor" to create buzz about his religion. The religion itself, from what I have read and what you stated above, seems to follow a more classical Agnostic belief system -- it just has a more controversial name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism Last edited by Dougiebaby : 04-16-2008 at 10:52 PM. Reason: typos

04-17-2008, 06:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
Little Horn Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 579 Reputation: 46	these are good points and I will address them when I get home this evening (long day at work ahead of me) As I said before these are all good points. I will not argue with you about the reasonings behind LaVey naming his organization "The Church of Satan". It absolutely was to create an uproar within the religious community. It was keeping within the idea of playing the role of the adversary to religious ideology. Also, to say that what I believe is more like Agnosticism than Satanism is completely in correct. Agnostics accept the idea that there very well may be a "God" whereas the foundation of Satanism is Atheism. Atheism is a complete lack of faith to the idea of a God and any real atheist KNOWS that there is no God. Period. We do not view ourselves as God or deities and by claiming this it is obvious that you have misinterpreted what Lavey says. Basically it's not that we view ourselves as GODS but rather we understand that the highest creation his human beings. If one feels the need to worship an "idol" of some sort why not idolize the person who means the most to you and who is most qualified and deserving of your complete and total devotion other than yourself? It's not that we satanists view ourselves of supreme beings with supernatural powers and to incenuate otherwise is just ridiculous on a level that is staggering. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [ I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.[/ Last edited by Gregory : 04-17-2008 at 02:30 PM. Reason: double post

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saline Zune Freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: 15 miles south of Nowhere, USA Posts: 1,238 Reputation: 107	Ok, you mentioned the "Cardinal Sin" of ignorance, or something like that. My question is, where do you base your opinions of right and wrong? Is it society? If so, where did they get their basis for it? If there was no God in the beginning, just man, and you believe in survival of the fittest, at what point in history did people decide that taking someone elses life is wrong? Another question: What if you're wrong? For me, if I'm wrong, when I die I have nothing to lose according to you. You also said "...highest creation his human beings." ...creation? ...so did man create man? I'm not trying to be pushy, just skeptical, like yourself. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by saline : 04-17-2008 at 02:23 PM.

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Alex Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In front of my computer DUH!!! Posts: 476 Reputation: 27	hey thanks for the clarification i understand a lot more now __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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