If I was to tell you that I am a Satanist...

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by FauxCivility

Let's just cut the drama. I wasn't insulting you, I merely told you my opinion. And if you don't like that...it becomes your problem how to respond. I didn't say it aggressively or anything.

"If I was to tell you that I am a Satanist...
What would your initial reaction be?"

That's exactly what I gave you. Don't bitch about it and play the martyr. No I don't find it odd, there are plenty of hypocrites and people with short tempers in the world. You aren't looking for discussion, you're looking for an outlet to justify your beliefs. That's fine. Just accept the lumps in the pudding.

You know what? You're exactly right. I don't know why I didn't see before. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. After all you really do understand my motivation behind starting this thread better than I do. Please accept this apology so that I can go back to being hypocritical and trying to be unique and pretending to hate people that I really do love all for the sake of trying to proove how cool I am.

I'm sorry.

[FauxCivility]

As long as I can open some eyes.

Dude, I'm gay. You're a satanist. We're both in the same boat in society's eyes. I'm not some white suburbanite looking down on you.

[MasterSprtn117]

Floorpuncher, that quote in your sig is from the Bible (Gen. 3)...but I thought you didn't like the Bible?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by MasterSprtn117

Floorpuncher, that quote in your sig is from the Bible (Gen. 3)...but I thought you didn't like the Bible?

You're absolutley wrong. I love the Bible as a collection of stories. I hate the fact that people buy into the Bible as fact and I hate the idea of God (not to ruffle feathers, just my opinion). The Bible however, cannot be denied as one the greatest works of literature ever.

I read the Bible on a fairly regular basis. While I tend to focus on the Old Testament more than the New (all the love and forgiveness is not as exciting as bloodshed and violence), I have not read the entire book front to back but I am working on it and I've probably read 75% of the entire Bible (Old and New Testament).

This particular verse to me is a symbol of Man's nature. I look at it as a form of deliverance or salvation from the clutches of God.

But once again you are wrong. I do not hate the Bible, just the ignorant fools that take every word of it as the truth without stopping to question them. I hate when people misinterperate the words and use them as an excuse for justifying evil deeds. I'm not saying this is EVERY Christian and I would be ignorant to think that every Christian believes this way, however there is still a large amount of superstition that permeates the air and causes people to perform dispicable acts in the name of God because the Bible says it's ok to do so.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by FauxCivility

Dude, I'm gay. We're both in the same boat in society's eyes.

not for long though right? I mean, isn't it becoming more and more accepted? I don't think anyone should be complaining very much.

[breakinbenjamin8]

i honestly would be surprised and try to stay away from you

[MasterSprtn117]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

But once again you are wrong. I do not hate the Bible, just the ignorant fools that take every word of it as the truth without stopping to question them.

Whoa...wait a minute here...all I was wondering was if you didn't like the Bible. I did not say or intend to imply that you hated it.

You said you hate the idea of God, but read the Bible frequently... So do you just read it for the stories and/or morals?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by MasterSprtn117

Whoa...wait a minute here...all I was wondering was if you didn't like the Bible. I did not say or intend to imply that you hated it.

You said you hate the idea of God, but read the Bible frequently... So do you just read it for the stories and/or morals?

Well you said, "I thought you didn't like the Bible?" perhaps I overstepped my bounds by upgrading "didn't like" to "hate". I apoligize.

There's an old saying: "know you enemies". This is the biggest reason that i read the Bible. But other than that I read it because I enjoy reading and as I said in my proir post, it is a great work of litarature.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Well you said, "I thought you didn't like the Bible?" perhaps I overstepped my bounds by upgrading "didn't like" to "hate". I apoligize.

There's an old saying: "know you enemies". This is the biggest reason that i read the Bible. But other than that I read it because I enjoy reading and as I said in my proir post, it is a great work of litarature.

HA! "Know your enemies" that's exactly what was going through my head when i was reading these posts.
Well, do you have anything good to say about the Bible other than it's a good piece of literature?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

HA! "Know your enemies" that's exactly what was going through my head when i was reading these posts.
Well, do you have anything good to say about the Bible other than it's a good piece of literature?

That depends on how you read it I suppose. I could probably say something about the morals and the whole "love thy neighbor" thing but I would be lying. I've said it before that I don't think we need a book to give us a conscience or a sense of right and wrong. And frankly I disagree with a lot of Christ's teachings. The whole pacifist idea has never sat well with me. I believe in vengeance not forgiveness, vindication not turning the other cheek. These are my beliefs though...

I personally identify with Satan though. To me Satan is the personification of rebellion. He stood up for what he believed in even though he knew it was futile. I'm not going to argue the reason behind Satan's rebellion but the concept of sticking to your guns regardless of the obstacle you might face is a noble cause. This is the only "good" that I find in the Bible other than entertainment. The idea that true strength comes from within, not from the pages of an ancient book.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

That depends on how you read it I suppose. I could probably say something about the morals and the whole "love thy neighbor" thing but I would be lying. I've said it before that I don't think we need a book to give us a conscience or a sense of right and wrong. And frankly I disagree with a lot of Christ's teachings. The whole pacifist idea has never sat well with me. I believe in vengeance not forgiveness, vindication not turning the other cheek. These are my beliefs though...

I personally identify with Satan though. To me Satan is the personification of rebellion. He stood up for what he believed in even though he knew it was futile. I'm not going to argue the reason behind Satan's rebellion but the concept of sticking to your guns regardless of the obstacle you might face is a noble cause. This is the only "good" that I find in the Bible other than entertainment. The idea that true strength comes from within, not from the pages of an ancient book.

but, strength doesn't come from pages of an ancient book, it doesn't come from a book at all, it does come from within!

At times I feel like you about the whole "vengeance" thing, I have those feelings from time to time.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

but, strength doesn't come from pages of an ancient book, it doesn't come from a book at all, it does come from within!

At times I feel like you about the whole "vengeance" thing, I have those feelings from time to time.

But I thought that you believed in prayer? If you do not pray for strength, then why pray? Is prayer not something that is outline in the Bible?

I think the feeling of retribution is common feeling in all human beings to some degree. i feel that this is part of our nature and this is where I have real problem with religion when they so far as to tell us that natural human emotion is sinful and that we are inherently sinful as humn beings. I was a sinner as soon as I emerged from the womb. To say that human being are wicked from the second of conception is ridiculous and in some capacity, insulting.

[MasterSprtn117]

I see your point, but aren't humans are sinful in nature? No one ever taught me to lie, but I'm sure I lied to my parents soon after I began to speak.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by MasterSprtn117

I see your point, but aren't humans are sinful in nature? No one ever taught me to lie, but I'm sure I lied to my parents soon after I began to speak.

There again, that defines how you define "sin". Christianity and a handful of other religions instill this ridiculous idea into it's followers that we are a sinful creature. Isn't it funny how almost every aspect of being human is a sin? The seven deadly sins are all natural aspect of humanity. It's part of what makes us human beings. Yet, religionists will tell us that they are sins and that we should be ashamed of who we are.

Pride: If you wear make up or wear clothes for stylish purposes or spend X amount of minutes in the morning doing your hair just right you are guilty of this sin yet it is natural for human to what to seem attractive to the opposite sex

Hate: There are a lot of people that I hate and there is no reason that I should feel sorry for that. Why should I attempt to force myself to "love" some one who I can not stand to be around. How am I supposed to "love" the man tried to rape my wife? It's impossible to do so and people who claim other wise are self deluded. Hatred is as natural of an emotion as love is.

Envy: How many times have you looked at something that some has and said "dude, I wish I could have that."? Is it really a sin to desire material things?

Greed: Greed is simply wanting more than you already have. It can be money, clothes or other material things. There is not one person in here that can't say they are not guilty of greed.

Sloth: Is just being lazy. Every time you wake up to go to work or school and you lie there in you bed thinking "i really don't want to get up" is the number of times you have sinned.

Wrath: Anger... do really have to go into detail?

Gluttony: How many time have eaten until you were full? Gluttony is simply eating more than you need to stay alive. Anytime you've eaten a big dinner and then had dessert is to be guilty of gluttony.

I'm sure you're all aware of the seven sins and what they mean but my point is that these are all aspects that make us human and for someone to say that not only are these natural feelings sinful but we should be ashamed of who were are is ridiculous.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

But I thought that you believed in prayer? If you do not pray for strength, then why pray? Is prayer not something that is outline in the Bible?

I think the feeling of retribution is common feeling in all human beings to some degree. i feel that this is part of our nature and this is where I have real problem with religion when they so far as to tell us that natural human emotion is sinful and that we are inherently sinful as humn beings. I was a sinner as soon as I emerged from the womb. To say that human being are wicked from the second of conception is ridiculous and in some capacity, insulting.

because prayer isn't always about asking for strength. In the Christianity religion, you pray to talk to God and to have a relationship. You ask for help and for strength sure, but you also thank God and let him know that you appreciate what it is that he's doing.

You pray to have a relationship, you CAN NOT have ANY sort of relationship if you never talk to that person. Whether it be a friend, or a girlfriend, or with your parents, you have to talk and communicate with them in order to have a relationship. It's not about strength all the time.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

because prayer isn't always about asking for strength. In the Christianity religion, you pray to talk to God and to have a relationship. You ask for help and for strength sure, but you also thank God and let him know that you appreciate what it is that he's doing.

You pray to have a relationship, you CAN NOT have ANY sort of relationship if you never talk to that person. Whether it be a friend, or a girlfriend, or with your parents, you have to talk and communicate with them in order to have a relationship. It's not about strength all the time.

Is it really necessary to pray then? I mean God knows everything right? I would think it's a safe assumption to say that God would know if you were thankful or needed help without having to sit on your knees with your hands clasped together. The whole thing to me seems phony and forced.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Is it really necessary to pray then? I mean God knows everything right? I would think it's a safe assumption to say that God would know if you were thankful or needed help without having to sit on your knees with your hands clasped together. The whole thing to me seems phony and forced.

judging by what you said, I would say that you have the wrong idea of prayer and of God, the latter of which I already knew (