If I was to tell you that I am a Satanist...

[Bear holding a shark]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

I'm glad to see that we have something in common after all...



From this point I can begin to understand your views. Perhaps it's the "greedy Satanist" in me that says to me "if I was waiting around to go to the ultimate Chuck E Cheese (Heaven), screw everyone else, when is my flight?" You know what I mean? I guess this is just one area where a Satanist and a Christian will never see eye to eye. I respect you and I respect that fact that you believe in something that, I assume, is making you a better person.



From my perspective I do grieve death. As I said before, Satanist understand out own mortality and we recognize death as the end. To lose life is to lose everything. We do not believe in an after life therefor when a person dies will not ever see them again. That's it. Game over. To me and other atheists (because Satanists are atheists, before anything else) death is something to grieve for. Sure we can celebrate life as well but there is nothing wrong with mourning.

Hey, I'm really glad we could have this discussion. I've learned a lot from it, and it's helped me think things through and realize more thouroughly what I believe. Glad to be able to have a serious talk every once in a while.

[Techy Dude]

i would wonder why u would believe in satan and why u would chose that if there was no guaranteed afterlife or happiness

[Bear holding a shark]

Originally Posted by Techy Dude

i would wonder why u would believe in satan and why u would chose that if there was no guaranteed afterlife or happiness

My first oppinion of a satanist too, but if you read Floorpuncher's posts, he explains what satanism is. Basically it's a form of athiesm.

[Little Horn]

ofosho

Here you go. I’m not going to waste time by putting all the quotes to all your questions in the post. I’ll answer them all in order.

Yes, I do believe in evolution. How could you not? Even if you believe that God created man you could still believe in evolution.

Dogma? Yes. In a way. Not the way that most people understand the term however. Our dogma is the driving force in nature. I believe that nature is perfectly balanced and that when that balance is upset nature will react in any way that is necessary to set it right. I’m not eluding to the idea of “Mother Nature” or trying to personify nature the way that many Wiccans or a lot of the these “new age” religions do.

There are basic beliefs that are held by every Satanist but for the most part Satanism is a religion of one’s self and what we as individuals hold dear.

There is no mandated weekly service. However, every Satanist has his or her own ritual that they go through when they feel the need. Some Satanists will go through the whole “Black Mass” theatrics and they use this as a “psychological decompression chamber”. I, personally find the whole stereotypical satanic ritual a little cheesy and melodramatic. My personal ritual involves writing and listening to music, writing poetry and short stories and going to metal concerts and taking out all my anger and aggression in the pit.

I’ve been an atheist for pretty much my whole life. I have an active interest in Theology as a whole and I stumbled across Anton Lavey’s Satanic Bible. When I read this book I saw a complete reflection of myself and my feelings toward life, spirituality and theistic religion. I figured, why try and fight what you are?

Does the life of Hitler and Jesus equal the same sum? I think you’re asking the wrong guy that question. My personal opinion (not to attack one for their beliefs, this is MY OPINION) I put Hitler and Jesus in the same category. Both have destroyed million of lives by the words from their mouths.

When I say I was raised free from religious oppression I quite frankly mean that I was not told what to believe or how to believe. My parents never pushed their own views on me and never criticized mine.

I was born in Dallas, TX but was raised in a Marine family so I’ve lived everywhere from Hawaii to Maryland.

I believe that I answered the question as to why I chose the title “Satanist” and I believe that that answer applies here as well. I can tell you what it was that led me to the conclusion that there is no God…. People.

I am 25 years old.
I am Married (6 years in two weeks)
I have a 7 year old son who I love more than the world
Both my parents are still alive and married.
I have a younger brother (22) and younger sister (19)
I believe in the possibility of aliens.

Anything else you would like to know about me?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Techy Dude

i would wonder why u would believe in satan and why u would chose that if there was no guaranteed afterlife or happiness

It is essentially Atheism however we follow a separate philosophy set down by Anton LaVey. It is outlined throughout the entire four pages of this post and you can pick up a copy of the Satanic Bible at your local bookstore... Just kidding (or am I?)

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

It is essentially Atheism however we follow a separate philosophy set down by Anton LaVey. It is outlined throughout the entire four pages of this post and you can pick up a copy of the Satanic Bible at your local bookstore... Just kidding (or am I?)

can you really buy a Satanic Bible at like Barnes and Nobles? who wrote that Bible?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

can you really buy a Satanic Bible at like Barnes and Nobles? who wrote that Bible?

Yes you can... they usually keep it in the "Occult" section. It was written by Anton Szandor LaVey and you should be able to find The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, The Devil's Notebook, The Satanic Witch and Satan Speaks as well. These are all books written by Anton LaVey and they all explore different aspects of Satanism. Regardless of what you believe I would recommend that anyone with the least bit interest at least read the Satanic Bible and go from there.

[ofosho]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

ofosho

Here you go. I’m not going to waste time by putting all the quotes to all your questions in the post. I’ll answer them all in order.Its actually pretty easy , just highlight and press bold , I just do it beacuse itseasy to follow . I'm interested in your beliefs is all , I like to consider all points of view .


Yes, I do believe in evolution. How could you not? Even if you believe that God created man you could still believe in evolution. Micro evolution is a fact , marco evolution is just one big missing link , such as evvolving from apes , you believe we came from apes ?


Dogma? Yes. In a way. Not the way that most people understand the term however. Our dogma is the driving force in nature. I believe that nature is perfectly balanced and that when that balance is upset nature will react in any way that is necessary to set it right. I’m not eluding to the idea of “Mother Nature” or trying to personify nature the way that many Wiccans or a lot of the these “new age” religions do.

There are basic beliefs that are held by every Satanist but for the most part Satanism is a religion of one’s self and what we as individuals hold dear.

There is no mandated weekly service. However, every Satanist has his or her own ritual that they go through when they feel the need. Some Satanists will go through the whole “Black Mass” theatrics and they use this as a “psychological decompression chamber”. I, personally find the whole stereotypical satanic ritual a little cheesy and melodramatic. My personal ritual involves writing and listening to music, writing poetry and short stories and going to metal concerts and taking out all my anger and aggression in the pit. I understand , but there is an actual church that you may attend ? What goes on there?


I’ve been an atheist for pretty much my whole life. I have an active interest in Theology as a whole and I stumbled across Anton Lavey’s Satanic Bible. When I read this book I saw a complete reflection of myself and my feelings toward life, spirituality and theistic religion. I figured, why try and fight what you are?

Does the life of Hitler and Jesus equal the same sum? I think you’re asking the wrong guy that question. My personal opinion (not to attack one for their beliefs, this is MY OPINION) I put Hitler and Jesus in the same category. Both have destroyed million of lives by the words from their mouths.Cool , I to put them in the same category I guess , but for different reasons .


When I say I was raised free from religious oppression I quite frankly mean that I was not told what to believe or how to believe. My parents never pushed their own views on me and never criticized mine.I was very much oppresed . Thats why I asked , wondering if anything we had in common let us both to believe similiar things , not the case though .

I was born in Dallas, TX but was raised in a Marine family so I’ve lived everywhere from Hawaii to Maryland.

I believe that I answered the question as to why I chose the title “Satanist” and I believe that that answer applies here as well. I can tell you what it was that led me to the conclusion that there is no God…. People.I understand your reasoning , but I'm wondering more as your 'faith' as a whole . They must have know calling themselves 'satanists' would draw a negative outlook . Example: all the poeple who din't bother to read your posts and keep implying you believe in a devil .

I am 25 years old.
I am Married (6 years in two weeks)
I have a 7 year old son who I love more than the world
Both my parents are still alive and married.
I have a younger brother (22) and younger sister (19)
I believe in the possibility of aliens.

Anything else you would like to know about me?

lol no , sorry for the inqusition .

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by ofosho

lol no , sorry for the inqusition .

No. i do not believe that we have evolved from apes. I believe that at one point we were "ape-like" in our characteristics and behavior and as our environments have changed over the years so as our physical, emotional and psychological characteristics.

There is no "church" to go to. In the beginning of The Church of Satan Anton Lavey's house (commonly referred to as the "Black House") in San Fransisco was a common meeting ground for Lavey's friends and family but very rarely to outiders. That house does not belong to the Church of Satan anymore. There are what we call "Grottos". This is merely a small congregation of Satanists in a local are that get together and hang out and do whatever else they want. (You can find more information on the actual Church of Satan webiste, I'd link it but I'm at work and they block the damn site for some reason... facists!)

Anton Lavey absolutely knew that he was going to be labeled as the bad guy. it's something that all of us Satanist realize and accept. The word Satan is a hebrew word that literally means Accuser, one to oppose or to question. This is what we Satanists are, we are the opposition to ALL theistic religions and spirituality. It was meant to be abrasive.

If you do indeed believe along the same lines that I do I highly suggest that you pick up and read the Satanic bible by Anton Lavey. If you are anything like me you will see a direct reflection of yourself within the pages of that book and I guarantee it will be an eye opener. If you do decide to read it, PM me and let me know what you think. I'm a little more than curious to hear your opinion of it. That book will explai neverything you need to know.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Yes you can... they usually keep it in the "Occult" section. It was written by Anton Szandor LaVey and you should be able to find The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, The Devil's Notebook, The Satanic Witch and Satan Speaks as well. These are all books written by Anton LaVey and they all explore different aspects of Satanism. Regardless of what you believe I would recommend that anyone with the least bit interest at least read the Satanic Bible and go from there.

so, when was the religion started? I mean, was some guy like "oh hey, you know what? I'll start this!" or what? I mean, how could you believe something like this if you KNOW it was written by man?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

so, when was the religion started? I mean, was some guy like "oh hey, you know what? I'll start this!" or what? I mean, how could you believe something like this if you KNOW it was written by man?

I believe this BECAUSE it was written by man. The religion was originally started in 1966 in San Francisco.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

I believe this BECAUSE it was written by man. The religion was originally started in 1966 in San Francisco.

But i mean, if it was written by man, how don't you know that it isn't complete BS?

[ofosho]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

No. i do not believe that we have evolved from apes. I believe that at one point we were "ape-like" in our characteristics and behavior and as our environments have changed over the years so as our physical, emotional and psychological characteristics.

Fair enough . But how did man end up on this planet ? Or is that somthing every satinist has thier own opinion on ?

There is no "church" to go to. In the beginning of The Church of Satan Anton Lavey's house (commonly referred to as the "Black House") in San Fransisco was a common meeting ground for Lavey's friends and family but very rarely to outiders. That house does not belong to the Church of Satan anymore. There are what we call "Grottos". This is merely a small congregation of Satanists in a local are that get together and hang out and do whatever else they want. (You can find more information on the actual Church of Satan webiste, I'd link it but I'm at work and they block the damn site for some reason... facists!)

Ok but it seems you deffinatly have beliefs that all satanists share , how do you all communicate or agree on those things ?


Anton Lavey absolutely knew that he was going to be labeled as the bad guy. it's something that all of us Satanist realize and accept. The word Satan is a hebrew word that literally means Accuser, one to oppose or to question. This is what we Satanists are, we are the opposition to ALL theistic religions and spirituality. It was meant to be abrasive.

If you do indeed believe along the same lines that I do I highly suggest that you pick up and read the Satanic bible by Anton Lavey. If you are anything like me you will see a direct reflection of yourself within the pages of that book and I guarantee it will be an eye opener. If you do decide to read it, PM me and let me know what you think. I'm a little more than curious to hear your opinion of it. That book will explai neverything you need to know.
I think I will , I'm just hoping its not as long as the bible , lol .

How into physics are you? I read alot on it , it intrests me . Everything in life ties together from a certain view-point . Ever hear of string theroy or M-theroy ? The leading scientists of our day agree that there are an infinate number of universes and 12 dimensions .
I believe every possable out-come has happened or is played out in a universe . Theres a universe where you woke up 1 second later than today , 2seconds , 3 seconds . One where you were religiously opressed . And ones were you were never born ect . I do have a problem with the concept of infinity though . Time is an illusion , this is just an experience of our infinate intelligence .

Do you believe in any kind of spirit creatures ? Not to say angels or demons , but creatures that we can't see , maybe in another dimension , whatever ?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

But i mean, if it was written by man, how don't you know that it isn't complete BS?

The Satanic Bible is not a book of religion. It's a book of ideas. Granted man is a fallible creature however, Anton Lavey never says "this is the truth and you had better believe or else" like the Bible does. It's not a book that requires "faith".

The Bible was written by man, and assembled by man, and translated by man, and edited by man, How do you know IT'S no complete BS? Because it says so in the Bible?

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by ofosho

How into physics are you? I read alot on it , it intrests me . Everything in life ties together from a certain view-point . Ever hear of string theroy or M-theroy ? The leading scientists of our day agree that there are an infinate number of universes and 12 dimensions .
I believe every possable out-come has happened or is played out in a universe . Theres a universe where you woke up 1 second later than today , 2seconds , 3 seconds . One where you were religiously opressed . And ones were you were never born ect . I do have a problem with the concept of infinity though . Time is an illusion , this is just an experience of our infinate intelligence .

Do you believe in any kind of spirit creatures ? Not to say angels or demons , but creatures that we can't see , maybe in another dimension , whatever ?

Physics? To be honest with you, I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

The Satanic Bible is not a book of religion. It's a book of ideas. Granted man is a fallible creature however, Anton Lavey never says "this is the truth and you had better believe or else" like the Bible does. It's not a book that requires "faith".

The Bible was written by man, and assembled by man, and translated by man, and edited by man, How do you know IT'S no complete BS? Because it says so in the Bible?

I know it's not BS because I have faith, that's what the religion is all about. I don't think the Bible says that "you better believe or else", but then again, that's my point of view.