The afterlife

[cheeZ]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

The smartest decision is to follow my heart. In my heart I KNOW that there is no God. To pretend to believe in God would be a lie and lying is a sin so it wouldn't do me any good to pretend would it?

I'm not going to live my life subservient to a being that may or may not be simply because I might go to Hell. It's a waste of what little time I have in this life.

You do have a point... No one should pretend to believe something they don't believe, because that wouldn't really be "believing," would it? That makes sense...

Well, it's not my job to do the convincing, it's God's. So I will be praying for you...

Oh and good luck with your PhD.

[Darren]

Originally Posted by Gow616

I believe in life before death and that death is preferable to eternal life.

As for an afterlife...I would just care enough to spend my time with the Reaper figure doing nothing in particular and maybe have a chat or two with the Coyote of Native American mythology.

I wouldn't need a heaven and I know enough of hell from this planet alone.

Reincarnation might be nice but there should be a moment when you say "when" rather than just reincarnating with no end. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity. After all doing something repetitively can lead to insanity.

That just about sums it up for me

Science has dominated for most of my life, but for the "afterlife" could either be determined by all Good AND Bad things you have done in life, or just emptiness, (life being asleep, there is nothing)

[SilentWalrus]

Originally Posted by Sexified Loveandhatejw

I would like to think there is an afterlife, but come on the reality of that is laughable.

Agreed to be honest.

[charmed61]

agree too, yea i REALLY believe in afterlife, but if you want me to talk about it i would start thinking i'm crazy or something.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by ofosho

Every religion had adopted gods to explain the un-explainable . If your a christian , your trusting MAN to pass a books over 2000yrs and never 'alter ' it . Same goes for all religions with ancient texts .

But think about this:

You're trusting man, yes, but you're trusting men that have dedicated their lives to protecting what they believe in, why in the world would any man who has dedicated their life want to change what they believe? that doesn't make much sense to me.

[LancerRevolution]

im scared of it being like black for eternity,really hoping for a paradise.so im kinda agreeing with asuro,well not agreeing,but same thought.i really dont know what to believe,sometimes,when i really think for awhile on this,I scare myself bad.its scary thinkin this subject deep,like if there wasnt heaven or hell.i dunno,gives me chills.i may not goto church or have a religion,im just here,but i believe there is another place we may go,hopefully

[cheeZ]

I totally agree, that subject is really scary to think about, even if you have an idea of where your going after you die. But if you don't take action and figure out the truth, you won't go to that awesome paradise, (which I STRONGLY believe exists). And to me, missing out on paradise for eternity is the SCARIEST THING IN THE WORLD to think about...

Plus, if your "hoping for a paradise," how do you think you will go to it unless you seek out the truth?

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by cheeZ

Plus, if your "hoping for a paradise," how do you think you will go to it unless you seek out the truth?

I agree, i don't think that you can just "hope" for a paradise and not do anything about it, you know?

[zunelover121]

cheeZ, stop asking for help on other forums.

http:*//christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7220928

Just delete the *. I can't post links quite yet.

[cheeZ]

I'm a 13 year-old boy, so sometimes I'm stumped on what I should say to someone. So what if I ask for some help?

[Alex]

i would like to think there is a heaven and hell but...
i really dont believe there can be any way to have an after life

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by zunelover121

cheeZ, stop asking for help on other forums.

http:*//christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7220928

Just delete the *. I can't post links quite yet.

why are you picking on him? leave the kid alone already, he's been getting enough crap as it is.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

why are you picking on him? leave the kid alone already, he's been getting enough crap as it is.

However, this just goes to show that he really doesn't understand his own religion. This just adds another support beam to my arugument that he believes because he think's he is supposed to not because he has examined his religion objectively. If nothing else, if you're going to come to the battle field it would probably be wise to come with a sword and shield. I'm not trying to give the kid a hard time again I'm just pointing out that perhaps he should spend some more time studying and researching, then come to battle.

[cheeZ]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

However, this just goes to show that he really doesn't understand his own religion. This just adds another support beam to my arugument that he believes because he think's he is supposed to not because he has examined his religion objectively. If nothing else, if you're going to come to the battle field it would probably be wise to come with a sword and shield. I'm not trying to give the kid a hard time again I'm just pointing out that perhaps he should spend some more time studying and researching, then come to battle.

Oh, I completely understand my religion, I just got stumped on what words to say that would get through to you the best. Keep in mind that I have NEVER talked to an atheist before, I don't know how you think, and frankly what exactly you believe. The only thing I know about atheists is that they think there's no God and that evolution is how humanity started. So, all I was doing was asking people who HAVE talked to atheist's before what they thought would be the best thing to say. How am I going to know what would make more sense to you, I've never talked to an atheist in my entire life! So I needed a little help to know what to say, is that so bad?

[Nathaniel]

I am not a 10 percet sure about the afterlife though I am a christian

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by cheeZ

Oh, I completely understand my religion, I just got stumped on what words to say that would get through to you the best. Keep in mind that I have NEVER talked to an atheist before, I don't know how you think, and frankly what exactly you believe. The only thing I know about atheists is that they think there's no God and that evolution is how humanity started. So, all I was doing was asking people who HAVE talked to atheist's before what they thought would be the best thing to say. How am I going to know what would make more sense to you, I've never talked to an atheist in my entire life! So I needed a little help to know what to say, is that so bad?

But it shouldn't be about what other people say. It should be about what you feel and what you KNOW is the case based off of your understanding of your beliefs. Anyone can go to another source and say "tell me what to say" but because one person may tell you something that sounds good doesn't mean it's the truth or that it's right.

You're taking the word of someone else and using that to shape your argument and you saw how far that got you. After I explained it to you it really didn't make much sense did it? You took it at face value and didn't bother looking at from all sides before jumping right in. Then I come along and poke holes in it and now you see how ridiculous that whole idea was.

Believe it or not I'm trying to help you out. There is nothing wrong with your belief if you truly understand it but seeing how quickly you were willing to cling to this ridiculous idea of "believing for the sake of believing" I find myself wondering what other aspects of your beliefs you practice this blind faith idea.

[cheeZ]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

But it shouldn't be about what other people say. It should be about what you feel and what you KNOW is the case based off of your understanding of your beliefs. Anyone can go to another source and say "tell me what to say" but because one person may tell you something that sounds good doesn't mean it's the truth or that it's right.

You're taking the word of someone else and using that to shape your argument and you saw how far that got you. After I explained it to you it really didn't make much sense did it? You took it at face value and didn't bother looking at from all sides before jumping right in. Then I come along and poke holes in it and now you see how ridiculous that whole idea was.

Believe it or not I'm trying to help you out. There is nothing wrong with your belief if you truly understand it but seeing how quickly you were willing to cling to this ridiculous idea of "believing for the sake of believing" I find myself wondering what other aspects of your beliefs you practice this blind faith idea.

Wait a minute, "how quickly I was willing to cling to 'believing for the sake of believing?!'" Half of this whole thread is filled with nothing but me and you having this huge discussion! I put out everything I knew about Christianity to try to convince you, and you always had an excuse for everything. It wasn't until I was exhausted of coming up with counter-arguments that I asked for a little help from people who are more mature and knowledgeable than me. You seem to think that just because I asked for help, that I don't know my own religion, that I'm believing in Jesus just for the heck of it. Which is completely STUPID. Why in the heck would I believe something that I don't fully believe, what, you think I'm just following this religion because parents are? Well, then your wrong. I believe because I KNOW it's 100% true, otherwise I wouldn't believe it. You again are starting to look as if you think I'm stupid, like I'm a tiny child who would believe anything. I want to say that that's not the least bit true. I know everything anyone needs to know about Christianity, the only thing I DON'T have experience with is debating with other people about Christianity.

To put it simply, I HAVE the words, but apparently I don't quite know how to say them.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by cheeZ

Wait a minute, "how quickly I was willing to cling to 'believing for the sake of believing?!'" Half of this whole thread is filled with nothing but me and you having this huge discussion! I put out everything I knew about Christianity to try to convince you, and you always had an excuse for everything. It wasn't until I was exhausted of coming up with counter-arguments that I asked for a little help from people who are more mature and knowledgeable than me. You seem to think that just because I asked for help, that I don't know my own religion, that I'm believing in Jesus just for the heck of it. Which is completely STUPID. Why in the heck would I believe something that I don't fully believe, what, you think I'm just following this religion because parents are? Well, then your wrong. I believe because I KNOW it's 100% true, otherwise I wouldn't believe it. You again are starting to look as if you think I'm stupid, like I'm a tiny child who would believe anything. I want to say that that's not the least bit true. I know everything anyone needs to know about Christianity, the only thing I DON'T have experience with is debating with other people about Christianity.

To put it simply, I HAVE the words, but apparently I don't quite know how to say them.

Alright Cheez. Calm down. Don't take offense as this was not my goal. I never claimed and I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know your religion only that you didn't understand it fully and there is a difference. It's not far off for people to believe in something because they think they are supposed to. They believe in something because they have never been exposed to other ideas or philosophies or when they are exposed these idea are greeted with intolerance and misunderstanding. This doesn't imply stupidity cheez, only ignorance and once again, there is a huge difference. I'm not saying that you are "pretending" because I'm sure you truly do believe and honestly, I hope that you continue to believe for the rest of your life if that is what makes you happy, but as I've said before, you need to understand WHY you believe. The whole "ignorance is bliss" idea will only get you so far in life.